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I've taken some notes on comparision of the subject riflescope vs several others at comparable magnifications.  I wanted to get this started before I have to go off on an extended test period where I will not be able to perform any evaluations with my scopes and don't want to cloud my memories with passage of time and other inputs.  
I don't have another 6-24, so the comparison is at similar magnification ranges.  I also do not have another scope with 72mm objective, so there is a disadvantage built in for "everybody else".  Scopes I will compare against:
Super Sniper SS10xHD
Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10x42
Leatherwood 2.5-10x44 M1000 ART
Springfield Armory (SA) 6-20x56 GenIII

Alll comparisons with the SS10xHD involved are at 10x magnification.  The Diavari, Leatherwood, and SA range from 6x - 10x and the SA is directly compared from 6x-20x.  The Hensoldt stands alone from 20x-24x.  I could have used my NcStar 10-40x50, but decided it would be futile to compare the Hensoldt to NcStar... why embarrass such a well respected company.  
All the scopes are mounted on rifles.  
First off, I set all the scopes at 10x and evaluated a target at approximately a mile in absolutely clear skies, no wind, and the smallest amount of humidity "haze" we've had in a while.  The first thing apparent is that only the Diavari and the Hensoldt were almost completely without "tunnel effect".  It is a hard concept to quantify in a written report, but the other scopes clearly "drew" the eye to the interior and to the inside surface of the tube.  The SA and the SS were nearly identical, slight but there, the Leatherwood is slightly more pronounced... not much, but noticeable.  Center clarity of all the scopes is surprisingly close and very good at worst.  In terms of ability to address the rifle and get "on target" (eye box), the progression was almost the same as "tunnel effect".  Hensoldt and Diavari were clear winners... put the rifle to shoulder and one is "on target".  SS and SA are once again very close to the top, but eye box is more critical and therefore requires a bit more effort to be "on target".  Eye box was noticably more critical on the Leatherwood... not bad, but just takes that "little extra" time to get "on target".  
In the bright sunlight, it was very difficult to determine any difference in glass quality in any of the scopes.  Diavari and Hensoldt, once again have a slight advantage in lack of edge effects... pretty much what you see in the middle is what you see at the edge, though there is a VERY SLIGHT color variation right at the edges of the glass.  This effect is a bit more pronounced on the other three scopes, but I could not determine a clear advantage for any of them for a silver medal slot.  
When I can get back to this, I will be evaluating 1) resolution and low light performance, 2) mechanics, 3) nifty features, 4) "bang for the buck".  
None of them are "dogs" in the "optical" category.  The FOV of the Hensoldt is huge, all the others nearly the same... good, but nothing like the Hensoldt.  The Hensoldt and Diavari are, dollar wise, both "high end" scopes, the SA and SS are "mid-level", and the Leatherwood would be relatively "low cost".  In the comparison so far, the SS and SA are certainly not 2-3 times worse, and the Leatherwood is absolutely not 5-10 times worse... which would be the price differential from the Henoldt and Victory Diavari down to the Leatherwood.  The SS, SA and Leatherwood, while suffering from some deficiencies, are surprising in just how closely they measure up optically to the "high end" scopes.  Shocked the heck out of me.  
Once again, I have only so far done some "eye ball" evaluations, looking through the scopes at a known target at long range.  All of them resolve the target well enough to ID it and determine "shoot or no-shoot".  There are details visible with Hensoldt that just are not visible with any of the others, including the Diavari, but I am not sure they would be "tactically significant" or "hunting significant".  At higher magnifications the Hensoldt will begin to walk away from the others, but in the comparison so far the SA is holding its own very well.  The Japanese glass used in the SA scopes is certainly not low quality stuff.  

I wrote this up because I did not want forget everything while away and have to repeat this phase.  I am going to follow a pretty detailed test plan for the next phase and a more formatted reporting process.  Personally, I am looking forward to the resolution/low light and mechanical tests.  

In case I haven't said it somewhere before, the Hensoldt is one fine piece of engineering and construction.  




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Kickboxer,

Thanks, look forward to the tale of the Hensoldt.  The couple of times I have looked through one (Zeiss) I was very impressed with the amount of detail of the image.  I am impressed with your honest review of lesser glass.  It takes an honest man to drop that stack of cash and say that the lesser even approaches it.  I look forward to your reports when the viewing conditions get tough and the Hensoldt gets a chance to shine. 

Now all I have to do is to save up for one.

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Thank you, dsr.  
I did do a little more eploitation of the Hensoldt, by itself, last night.  Briefily, I think it is clear why the designers chose 12x as the "ranging magnification" for this scope.  It is conveniently in the middle between the low and high magnifications, providing an excellent multiplicative for low power, mid-power, and high power ranging.  On top of that, and I am sure this was a well engineered design feature, 12x is optimal for low light viewing for this scope.  Exit pupil is 6mm and with that huge objective and the superior Zeiss coatings, every last photon of available light is allowed to pass through.  At 14x exit pupil is still very reasonable and the diminished visibility is meager, almost not noticeable.  Once again, I have not yet broken out the resolution targets, but have taken a more operational than clinical approach, so far.  I did not use any other scopes last night because I did not want to cloud my feeble mind with too much information.  There is a new light source several hundred yards more distant than what I use for a target field and at 12x I could easily find and identify the features I use for daylight reference.  

I have viewed these "targets" in the past with the other scopes I am using for comparison.  Nowhere near the clarity of the Hensoldt.  Low light is going to be a big "separator", as I get the impression mechanics will too.  Durability, I don't know that I will ever have the intestinal fortitude to exercise the Hensoldt to the level of the SuperSniper.  I may just default that one to the SS because, right now, I know the SS will withstand more than I am probably will to subject the Hensoldt to... just facts.  I may give the Henoldt a ride on the .50 before this review is all over, but I just don't know.  Do I THINK it could handle it?  Absolutely.  Do I want to test the theory?  Not sure...  I've never felt a need to take the SS10xHD off the .50 since I put it on.  
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:


  Durability, I don't know that I will ever have the intestinal fortitude to exercise the Hensoldt to the level of the SuperSniper.  I may just default that one to the SS because, right now, I know the SS will withstand more than I am probably will to subject the Hensoldt to... just facts.  I may give the Henoldt a ride on the .50 before this review is all over, but I just don't know.  Do I THINK it could handle it?  Absolutely.  Do I want to test the theory?  Not sure...  I've never felt a need to take the SS10xHD off the .50 since I put it on.  
 

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A member of FCSA had one on his fifty at the 2008 world championship and had 400 rounds behind it then.  Talking to him he did not know how its long term durability would be but he did seem confident that it would handle it well.  I’ll see if I can contact him again and check how many more rounds it has seen since then.
 
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Originally posted by dsr dsr wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:


  Durability, I don't know that I will ever have the intestinal fortitude to exercise the Hensoldt to the level of the SuperSniper.  I may just default that one to the SS because, right now, I know the SS will withstand more than I am probably will to subject the Hensoldt to... just facts.  I may give the Henoldt a ride on the .50 before this review is all over, but I just don't know.  Do I THINK it could handle it?  Absolutely.  Do I want to test the theory?  Not sure...  I've never felt a need to take the SS10xHD off the .50 since I put it on.  
 

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A member of FCSA had one on his fifty at the 2008 world championship and had 400 rounds behind it then.  Talking to him he did not know how its long term durability would be but he did seem confident that it would handle it well.  I’ll see if I can contact him again and check how many more rounds it has seen since then.
 
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Thank you, again... The information would be welcome.  As I said, I am convinced the Hensoldt will withstand the .50, just not sure I want to test it there, not sure I see the need.  I got it for the .338.  The data is of interest, still, certainly. 
Generally, if a scope is going to fail due to recoil on a heavy banger, it will do so long before 400 rounds, so I would say it "passed" on that test.  Yes, you want to test for longevity, but that is really the maker's obligation.  I'm testing for personal and general user information, not setting out to completely verify Zeiss Optronics quaity control.  My one sample is way insufficient for that.  Even if mine did fail, it would only show that I had a problem unit.  To make a broad and useful statement on the ZF6-24's durability, I would have to do extensive testing with at least 10 units.  
 My comments on testing on the .50 were a little bit "tongue in cheek".  At this point I am a believer in the quality of the article, but want to continue to explore the details of all its functions.  I really do thank you for your offer to try to get some info on a Fifty Cal Shooter's Association member's experiences with his.  Any anecdotal information I can draw upon is useful and appreciated.  
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Thanks for the info KB,look forward to the remainder!
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Kickboxer,
 

Just, heard back from fellow shooter who has one – still going strong after  +/- 2500 rounds of BMG.

I agree one test item does not make a durability statement, but it could point to areas of problems.  As an example US Optics SN-9, one shooter had his fail (the integral front mount cracked at the threads that clamp it to the rail) twice in the same way.  Since then USO has added a second bolt to secure the front integral ring. 

By the way he says it is the best scope he has ever looked through and I have to agree.

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dsr, thank you.  Good information. 
I guess from your comment that you were talking about the Hensoldt being the best he had ever looked through? 
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Kickboxer,
 

You raise a very good point.  His is a Zeiss ( I have had a chance to view the Zeiss (2) examples and Hensoldt (1)) and I have to admit that I have assumed that they were identical in construction and lenses along with coatings and the only assumed differences being in turrets graduations.  My limited experience with them is too far in time and conditions to make any honest statements about any perceived strengths (Zeiss vs  Hensoldt) only with what I would expect to see with my spotting scope under the same conditions.

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this is what HUDISCO says the differences are:
Hensoldt has
-More abrasion resistant coatings on lenses to meet Mil Spec requirements
-Beefier internal working mechanisms
- Different turret system
-Different illumination control, microprocessor instead of rheostat

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Unscientific, but the sun set 14 minutes ago... I still have a VERY clear shot at over 1 MILE... Not bad for a cheap scope...

24 minutes, had to go from 12x to 24x... still a clear shot on an 18" target at over 1 mile...

27 minutes, I can still distinguish the target, but not sure I could find it if I did not KNOW it was there...

30 minutes after sunset... I could find the target at 1mile... not knowing what it was, I would not be able to take the shot... still not bad for a cheap scope...


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Does it help if I add that with the illuminated reticle adjusted less than 1/4 turn from its "off" setting it was just visible enough that it actually added to being able to find and sight the target??? (The IR on this scope is truly amazing... absolutely the best I have ever seen.  There is no effort wasted trying to find the reticle while trying to find the target, but the IR does not overpower seeing the "field".  Hensoldt resolved all their original problems with IR and went 1 or 2 steps better).  

I know... boring, but I just haven't had a chance to do much shooting.  I had to help my wife build a window seat in the breakfast area today (she does the fine work, I put it together)... best I could do...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Unscientific, but the sun set 14 minutes ago... I still have a VERY clear shot at over 1 MILE... Not bad for a cheap scope...

24 minutes, had to go from 12x to 24x... still a clear shot on an 18" target at over 1 mile...

27 minutes, I can still distinguish the target, but not sure I could find it if I did not KNOW it was there...

30 minutes after sunset... I could find the target at 1mile... not knowing what it was, I would not be able to take the shot... still not bad for a cheap scope...
 

It would be good too good to hear about that test with some sort of reference. Maybe you supply a side by side comparison, understandably it would be an apple to oranges comparison, but the qualitative description would help the reader.

 

Look forward to hearing about your experiences the supper scope.

 

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I know that this about a year old.  Do you have any updates on the Hensoldt 6-24x72?
 
I am going to buy the 6-24x72 in either a Zeiss Victory or the Hensoldt and am looking for more information and experience to help my decision. Thanks.
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I should have said that I have used a Zeiss Victory 2.5-10x50 and a 3-12x56 and want even more for low light shooting.
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Originally posted by rancilio rancilio wrote:

I know that this about a year old.  Do you have any updates on the Hensoldt 6-24x72?
 
I am going to buy the 6-24x72 in either a Zeiss Victory or the Hensoldt and am looking for more information and experience to help my decision. Thanks.

The Hensoldt is a better all around scope than the Zeiss 6-24x72.  Really doesn't matter if you are using it for "just" hunting or for tactical purposes.  Nothing out there really to compare to... I've tried.  While in broad daylight there are a number of scopes that can compare in equivalent magnification ranges, in low light the Hensoldt ZF6-24x72 is nonpareil.  It's what it was designed for and it does its job better than anything else.  
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Ernie, it's DEFINITELY not a Tasco...  more's the pity...
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KB, is this the scope you said something about your wife buying? I vaguely remember you saying something about it.
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Why yes, it is the scope that my wife purchased for me.  I didn't think I had mentioned that before...

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You might not have, I might have thought it up. Maybe next time she will get you something that is paper weight worthy.Cheers



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Interesting...

What is the difference between the Hensoldt, the Victory T*VM/V and the Diavari T*FL?
If the Victory is without the FL coating (as I was told), why would anyone want a scope without FL?  The non-FL Victory T*VM/V must have some advantage that the Diavari T*FL doesn't  have.  What's the trade-off when they cost the same?
 
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It was posted up above, but I posted again so no one would have to look for it...
 
Hensoldt has
-More abrasion resistant coatings on lenses to meet Mil Spec requirements
-Beefier internal working mechanisms
- Different turret system
-Different illumination control, microprocessor instead of rheostat

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I didn't see it above, but can you tell me
What is the difference between the Hensoldt, the Victory T*VM/V and the Diavari T*FL?

I have read some where, can't remember where that 
Hensoldt has
 -More abrasion resistant coatings on lenses to meet Mil Spec requirements
-Beefier internal working mechanisms
- Different turret system
-Different illumination control, microprocessor instead of rheostat
but I'm not sure if its true or not.Bucky


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