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I tried both the 8x and 10x ED2 when they first came out, I was surely one of the first to get a pair. They both had a huge amount of glare like they literally forgot to put any baffles in them. In addition one had a sloppy focus wheel and the others focus wheel was so bad it seemed like you could move it at least .25" with changing the focus.  Needless to say I returned both and they kindly returned my money but did acknowledge the glare problem.
My question is this,  has zen ray fixed these problems? completely?  the optics seems quite nice but world class optics would not make up for the horrible focus and extreme glare.
If I knew I could get a smooth tight focus without glare (like my other much lower cost binocs) I would still like to have them. Or.. any other binoc with equivalent optics with the same tight focus and no glare.
Would the Kruger caldera or Therons APO be a better choice for me?

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I don't own a Zen Ray and never will. But, since they appeared, i have been reading hundreds of comments about them. As far as i know, the glare is gone; however, you may have tried the ED version, the glare was eliminated in the ED2 versions. I don't know about the focus wheel.
I do know for certain that the best place to ask your questions is Zen Ray. They are very honest and straightforward and customer oriented. Give them a call, maybe Charles talks to you and sets you up with a good one.
There is an ED3 out or soon to come out.
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The ED3 is out and I do have one in my possession. It is optically better than the ED2 in the areas of apparent brightness and contrast. Otherwise the optics are the same. The glare problem was remedied in the ED2. They added internal baffling behind the objective.
 
The focus wheel is another issue. My ED3 does display about an 1/8th of an inch of "play" in it but it does not change the focus in that small area. The Kruger Caldera displayed the same play in the focus.
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It is my understanding that very early ED2s also had the glare issue.  My ED2s have zero glare.  They have very few weaknesses.  My focus also has very little play, maybe that 1/8 inch FrankD mentions.  It is small enough, that I hardly notice.
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It was definitely the ED2's that I had and I was one of the people who pre- ordered them.
It is a shame about the focus wheel.  I have a pair of B&L that I paid $100 in the mid 1990s and they have a very precise tight focus wheel and even my $56 early 1990 Celestrons have no slop in the focus.
I won't spend $400+ if I can't even get a decent focus wheel.
How is the focus wheel on the Therons and the Krugers?

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I just got the new ED3 the other day in 10x43 and the focus wheel has no play. I love these bins!
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Originally posted by webrehm webrehm wrote:

It was definitely the ED2's that I had and I was one of the people who pre- ordered them.
It is a shame about the focus wheel.  I have a pair of B&L that I paid $100 in the mid 1990s and they have a very precise tight focus wheel and even my $56 early 1990 Celestrons have no slop in the focus.
I won't spend $400+ if I can't even get a decent focus wheel.
How is the focus wheel on the Therons and the Krugers?

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I have not handled the Therons since last summer so Klamath will have to chime in with that one. I mentioned the Caldera above. My unit had an equal amount of play in it in comparison to the ED3...about 1/8th of an inch. I wonder if it is an issue with the open bridge design and how the focusing mechanism is designed around it.
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Originally posted by webrehm webrehm wrote:


 
My question is this,  has zen ray fixed these problems? completely?  the optics seems quite nice but world class optics would not make up for the horrible focus and extreme glare.
If I knew I could get a smooth tight focus without glare (like my other much lower cost binocs) I would still like to have them. Or.. any other binoc with equivalent optics with the same tight focus and no glare.
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Dennis, we have fixed the glare issue associated with initial ED2 release that impacts some of our customers.  Now the ZEN ED3 has excellent glare control and fast/smooth focusing mechanism.
 
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Given that Frank has slop in his ED3 focus and seen the same thing in the Caldera, but others have seen no focus slop in the ED2 but I certainly did, I suspect that there is something in the mechanism that is being used that must be properly and carefully adjusted to get rid of the slop. I sincerely doubt a mechanical part could have variations in tolerances that are large enough to cause the focus to go from no slop to 1/8" or more.
If I decide to purchase a $300+ pair of binocs and they have any detectable slop in the focus I will send them right back.  I find it highly objectionable to have slop in focusing.
I have 4 binocs
Celestron 8x25  $55
Cannon 8x32 $150
B&L 10x42 $100
Tru Glo 10x42 $170
The B&L has the most precise focus but none have slop in the focus and I have never seen a binoc with sloppy focus in local shops where I have tested binocs, not that I spend lots of time testing binocs at local shops.

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If I am correct, the Vortex Talon's are basically the same as the Zen ED2's. So I am able to say something about this being that I own the Talon's. My first pair had a whole lot of slop in it, as you say. If you haven't seen my video you can find it by looking for my "Fail" thread. After sending them to Vortex for replacement/repair and getting a new pair back about three weeks later, I can say the focus is a bit tighter, but there is still too much play it it. And yes, I agree that it seems the cheaper bino's out there do not have this problem at all so I see no excuse. I don't know what I am going to do with these, but I am wanting to go back to my Nikon Monarch's. People say that the Zen Ray/Vortex Talons are better, but all I get from it is the ED glass. The Nikon's were built much better. Focus didn't have a hair of play in it. So those are what I personally recommend for $250-$300. They are probably not the best optics of all, but at least they meat their price, in my opinion. I don't know much about the ED3's though.

/ends slight rant
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I tried out a pair of the 7 x 36 EDII and had a similar issue with the focus wheel but don't recall a glare issue. It boasted a 480' FOV but the outer edges of the view was really blurry - why advertise something that's not usuable. I returned them as well - didn't care for the crappy "made in china" look to them or how loooong they were . . .

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  I got my 7x36 EDII this past summer so haven't used them all that much.  Mine have zero play in the focus wheel (the slightest turn changes the focus) and a bit of blurring on the edges but it's a small price to pay for the GOOD depth of field.  We'll see how they hold up for hunting season.  They started living in the truck this past week.  Bucky
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Originally posted by Sefrez Sefrez wrote:

If I am correct, the Vortex Talon's are basically the same as the Zen ED2's. So I am able to say something about this being that I own the Talon's. My first pair had a whole lot of slop in it, as you say. If you haven't seen my video you can find it by looking for my "Fail" thread. After sending them to Vortex for replacement/repair and getting a new pair back about three weeks later, I can say the focus is a bit tighter, but there is still too much play it it. And yes, I agree that it seems the cheaper bino's out there do not have this problem at all so I see no excuse. I don't know what I am going to do with these, but I am wanting to go back to my Nikon Monarch's. People say that the Zen Ray/Vortex Talons are better, but all I get from it is the ED glass. The Nikon's were built much better. Focus didn't have a hair of play in it. So those are what I personally recommend for $250-$300. They are probably not the best optics of all, but at least they meat their price, in my opinion. I don't know much about the ED3's though.

/ends slight rant
I own the the Theron Wapiti 8x42. Had the same in Nikon Monarch. Therons have the same quality feel of the Monarchs with better glass. No slop in the focus wheel either.
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I can vouch for the ZenRays durability,had my 10x43 eds stuck in between some towells forgot they were there... into the samsung h.e washer they went,found them after a full cycle right before they went into the dryer.Shocked

The only thing different after  examining them was they were very clean.Yippee


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That is a pretty impressive durability account, 1984.
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