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What is the major diffrence between the New Zeiss 3-12x56 Classic and the New Zeiss 3-12x56 Victory Diavari? The victory is a couple hundred more and lighter but as far clarity and hunting at night is there any diffrence?

Im trying to descide between the two and want to know if the victory is worth the extra money.

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i dont know if there is or not i will tell you that either way you cant lose, the diavari is #1 on the t-bone scale so i suspect the classic has to be very close as well.
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Victory is a bit better optically.  The design is completely different.  Classic has a little bit more of a tunnel effect and narrower field of view.  The coatings are pretty similar, however.

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It can't be any differences because the lenses are the very same on both model. In fact there are three model using the same T* lenses: The old series Diavari Z, the recent improved Diavari Z now being called the Classic and the Diavari Victory Series. Between them you have the same difference:Weight , field of view and eye relief...but the lenses are equal for all. The Diavari Z series that uses MC lenses and not T* lenses are different. They are assembled in US.  I never saw one of these and I never saw a Conquest either because it seems that they are exclusively for the american market.  Both have MC lenses.
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To the best of my knowledge, between Classic and Victory, do not have the same lenses (the actual glass is different) and the number of lenses is different.  The coatings are indeed the same. 

Even if yo look at the specs, you'll see that for the same configuration Victory scopes have wider field of view and longer eye relief, and lower weight than the Classics.

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so I guess we dont know for sure what the diffrences are other that weight and eye relief
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

To the best of my knowledge, between Classic and Victory, do not have the same lenses (the actual glass is different) and the number of lenses is different.  The coatings are indeed the same. 

Even if yo look at the specs, you'll see that for the same configuration Victory scopes have wider field of view and longer eye relief, and lower weight than the Classics.

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do you think  its worth the extra money?
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Originally posted by texashunter texashunter wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

To the best of my knowledge, between Classic and Victory, do not have the same lenses (the actual glass is different) and the number of lenses is different.  The coatings are indeed the same. 

Even if yo look at the specs, you'll see that for the same configuration Victory scopes have wider field of view and longer eye relief, and lower weight than the Classics.

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do you think  its worth the extra money?


That's a personal decision.  To me, Victory is a more useable design, primarily because of the field of view and lack of tunnel-effect.  Both are good scopes though.

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texas......... If you're buying, I'll take the victory.....hahaha.  The thing is hard to say unless you are actually making the purchase(or have made the purchase).  I just went thru this same debate on a Kahles scope.  No one in my town or maybe even the state had the scopes I was considering to look thru myself.  You are talking about spending alot of money, Koshkin has stated there is a difference now you need to find a place that has both and look at them so you can decide if its worth it. 
If you can't find them to compare, then you have to make a decision on the fly so-to-speak.  If money isn't an issue you could order both from SWFA and they will give you 10 days I think to compare them both and then send the other back.
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Ummm....I suppose you have to PAY for TWO scopes in order to compare them?....or does SWFA just let you field test them and return one?    Thinking  --Ed
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You have to pay for both, which is why I said, "if money isn't an issue"!
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Aw heck.   Whatever  But, anyway, that is pretty good of Chris and SWFA!! A very nice TEXAN thing to do!  Salute    --Ed
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Texashunter:
If you are concerned about slightly less field of view, less eye relief and a little extra weight then buy the Zeiss Victory....but if you are not then you should buy the Classic Z.  As I said :They are equivalent ... optically.  Not mechano optically equivalent...In fact when they were measured with optoelectronic instrument for an european gun magazine test the readings were the very same...
As for that tunnel effect that the Classic has:Just turn the scope to 3.5 power or so and you will see that it disappear completely.
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