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I'm in the market for some new glass and got it narrowed down to these 4:
Zeiss Conquest DL 3-12x50
Leupold VX6 2-12x42
Swarovski Z3 3-10x42
Kahles Helia C 2.5-10x50

I'd like the clearest glass possible and great color contrast if possible that will thrive in any weather/light conditions I may encounter while hunting North America from Texas hog/audad hunts to caribou/bear in AK.
I'm leaning toward the Zeiss but am not committed 100% yet.
Thanks in advance.
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All of these are fine scopes that will perform very well.When you get to this level of optics there is not one which puts the other to shame. My pick would be the Kahles. You get a broad range of magnification , a large objective diameter and great glass.Should handle anything you encounter.
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Any of those four would suffice nicely! I'm a Swaro slut so... Big Grin
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I like my Kahles CL 3-10 and 2-7 both MZ. They are the best hunting scopes I own.
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How does the water repellency compare between these optics?
How about durability?
Customer service?
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Swaro or Kahles

Bump up the Zeiss model and I'd give that a nod as well.
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What this?? No Leupold love?? 
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Voodoo, I'm surprised with the thread title that our resident Leupold expert hasn't chimed in yet.  Wink
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Kahles or Swaro.

Of the 2, I lean Swaro.  I have several of their scopes, have never been disappointed in their glass.  Cannot say the same for Kahles.
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Voodoo, I'm surprised with the thread title that our resident Leupold expert hasn't chimed in yet.  Wink

Ah...but the day is young! Big Grin
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I do have a Leupold VX6 4-24x52 TMOA (HEAVY, 34mm tube) on my fast twist 22-250 varmint gun and really like it. I have never ventured into any relationships with German glass yet...
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I'd be addin the Leica ER scope to this thread. Not to worry my fellow OT fans. Just because I bought one from SWFA it (Leica) won't be every word outta my mouth when scope recommendations threads pop up. I still feel that the Bushnell Elites are the best bang for the buck.



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Originally posted by wilkup wilkup wrote:

I have never ventured into any relationships with German glass yet...

Yeah well, the fact that they don't shave their legs regular, takes a little bit of gittin used ta.  
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Something wicked...this way comes. 
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Ummmm German Glass is IT!!!  all others are copies!
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Ummmm German Glass is IT!!!  all others are copies!


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I mostly agree on the Leica scopes.  My only issues with them have been target turrets that spin way too easy, and really thin reticles.  I understand they have addressed both, but haven't gotten around to verifying in the flesh.

Their glass is quite good.
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If Leica did make a significant change on that front, I'd consider a reticle change on mine, unless it's 400 bucks or something. Nothing shocks me with German pricing on their wears.
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I'm trying to stay around 16 oz... otherwise I'd probably consider the Leica too. My Leupold is only 24 and I'd like to drop that half pound if I'm going to purchase a new optic.
It's going on my fast and light rifle.
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With the scopes you have on your wish list, you won't be dropping any 8 ounces with the exception of the Swaro. You also requested some info with regards to durability and if you search the net a little you'll find some reports that aren't glowing about Swaro's 1" scopes. I don't know how their 30mm scopes are for durability.
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Swaro Z3, 3-9, 12 ounces, done!

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Originally posted by wilkup wilkup wrote:

How does the water repellency compare between these optics?
How about durability?
Customer service?


Water repellency: not sure exactly what you mean. All 4 of those scopes, and all scopes available today that I'm aware of, are weather sealed. If you're referring to the water repelling lens coatings available on some scopes these days, none of those 4 have that feature. Those scopes won't "repel" water, but water won't get inside any of the scopes unless they're defective.

Durability-wise... who knows? Determining that would require putting a large sample size of each through heavy recoil and hard use/abuse to get any meaningful data, and few would be able to do that. Anything anyone could tell you on that would be anecdotal and too influenced by "luck of the draw."

In terms of customer service, Leupold and Swarovski will win that battle hands-down, no contest. I'm not necessarily implying that Zeiss's and Kahles's CS is bad, just that Leupold and Swarovski are among the handful of brands that set the standard in that regard. You almost never hear any complaints about Leupold or Swarovski CS, but you do hear occasional complaints about Zeiss and Kahles CS.

Among those scopes, I would lean toward either the Leupold VX-6 or the Swaro Z3. I haven't seen the Zeiss Conquest DL, so I have no way of knowing how it compares to the others. I suspect it's the same or similar optical system to the now-discontinued Duralyt series, which I do have experience with. If that's the case, I don't think it quite measures up to the others optically, though it's still pretty nice. I like Kahles scopes, but I'm not a huge fan of 50mm objectives despite the light transmission advantage. Yes, it will give you a slight edge if you hunt under moonlight for hogs and predators. For everything else during legal shooting hours, I've never been handicapped by a good 42mm objective scope, so I prefer to keep my hunting rigs low profile and streamlined.

Actually, I would get the Leica ER as mentioned, and in fact, I did just that. I have two ER 2.5-10X42s, and will never part with them. Besides the fact I slightly prefer the view through it vs. the others, it also has "Aqua-Dura" water-repelling lens coatings. The "thin reticle" thing is way overstated. Just get the #4 reticle. Its plenty thick enough to be visible during the last seconds of legal light, unless your eyesight is poor. It does have a thin center crosshair, but the outer posts are pretty bold. I wish the posts extended further toward the center, but that's a minor thing, since it's still pretty visible in low light and the optics are so good.
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