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Does anyone else here have any experience with these yet?

I purchased one sight unseen based on the reviews and reputation of both Zeiss and the Conquest scope this one replaces. Perhaps I don't know what I'm looking at but after receiving it this morning, I'm underwhelmed with it. Most notably, the outer 20-25% of the field of view is (to me) very soft as if slightly out of focus. Comparing the Zeiss to the Leupold Vari-X II 3-9x50 that it's replacing doesn't have near the blur at the edges. I also compared the two at dusk (unscientifically) and the difference wasn't nearly as notable I had expected.

The color rendition, clarity and resolution are better in the Zeiss but not dramatically so in my brief observation. I will compare it to a Leupold VX2 3-9x40 over the weekend after I get back home and report back.

Are my expectations of this optic out of whack or is it the scope?
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Shocked  The Terra seemed like a good price.  Maybe we should stick with Meopta in that price range.  
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i did get to see one recently.

i'm far from scientific when it comes to rifle scopes and i have certain preferences --

i was not impressed with the one i looked over at all.

now i didn't get to look through it mounted and set up-- as just looking at one out of the box you can't tell much. it might have been better properly set up.

i'm not a big fan of 'outsourcing" or name brand labeling -- so i might have had a chip on my shoulder.

it is going to have to do as well as the conquest AND be a lot less expensive and what i saw didn't look like it was up to either task.

maybe the one i looked through was a lemon ??--i'm thinking they ain't going to be fast movers --

JMHO.


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Well, I'm sure there are lots of people out there like me who just want a scope on their rifle.  And they may be happy replacing their Tasco with a Zeiss for that price.  But I'm a dinosaur and I think $400 is a lot of money....( it used to be! ) but now it's just Entry Level into decent optics.

I might go with Meopta--- which must be the bargain of the century.  
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I am not impressed with the Terra at all. It is no where near the scope a Conquest is for only slightly less. I have looked through several of them and played with the adjustments. At least for me they feel cheap. I know they are an entry level scope but a Conquest is close to entry level but significantly better. For the money the conquest is hard to beat.
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i know this may sound almost blasphemous coming from me , but i recently put a vx2 3x9 on a m700 7-08 xcr for one of my sons, and its a pretty decent scope. i havent looked through the zeiss terra, i cant imagine its much of a change from the old conquest line, so maybe leupold is finally catching up??
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Having never owned a Conquest, I can't make a direct comparison however Koshkin's review of the Conquest stated that the image was sharp almost all the way to the edge so I expected the Terra to be the same. I'll be calling Zeiss in the AM to see what they say.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i know this may sound almost blasphemous coming from me , but i recently put a vx2 3x9 on a m700 7-08 xcr for one of my sons, and its a pretty decent scope. i havent looked through the zeiss terra, i cant imagine its much of a change from the old conquest line, so maybe leupold is finally catching up??

Terra does not have anything in common with the Conquest, I think, but I could be wrong.  Perhaps I should get one for review.

Terra is made in Asia somewhere and since Zeiss people at last SHOT did not offer any specifics on that, I have to assume it is China.

That is not necessarily bad since from what I hear the Conquest HD binoculars which seem to be very good are also made in China (the eyepieces are put on in Germany, but everything else is made in China).

Leupold's VX-2 is a very competent little scope.  They refreshed it a couple of years ago and it is pretty respectable.

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Is Leupold starting to compete more these days, Koshkin? 
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The Terra scopes are made in Japan.
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I didn't mean to make a direct comparison between the Conquest and the Terra scopes. My thought was that since the Terra has replaced the Conquest in the Zeiss lineup, that it would be extremely similar in optical performance. Indeed, if "MJensen" of this thread: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/7755603/Zeiss_Terra_Riflescopes_are_no is who he/she appears to be, my assumption of performance similarities shouldn't be far off.

Ilya, thank you for your websites and for weighing in here.
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As far as Terra goes, the riflescopes are Japanese, the binos are Chinese, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Conquest HD's, which are most definitely not Chinese.   The Terras are, IMO, a typical "built for a price point" item, and I am very unimpressed with anything that has Terra on it.  The riflescope eyepiece is huge, as big as the objective, is ugly, but glass is pretty good.  I wouldn't hunt with one if Zeiss gave it to me. 

A 1" Meopta would be a runaway winner vs the Terra IMO.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Is Leupold starting to compete more these days, Koshkin? 
 
I have been pretty impressed with their newer designs: VX-R, VX-6, etc.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Is Leupold starting to compete more these days, Koshkin? 
 
I have been pretty impressed with their newer designs: VX-R, VX-6, etc.

I REALLY like my 3-9x VX-R the more I use it. 
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When the 2-7x Terra was announced, I was all hyped up about it...until I saw one at the NRA convention. I wasn't impressed. I personally believe they do more harm than good for the Zeiss brand name.

BTW, yes they are indeed made in Japan.
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lots of good japan made scopes well under the terra price.


i just don't like outsourcing unless we get a real cut in the MSRP without losing the quality of the brand.



i think they should have stuck with the conquest. 

it is a wonder they didn't go to japan and re-badge a few weavers with zeiss stickers--

the minox ZV is made in china , from what i hear it is a pretty good scope --though not "super" by any measure.

the ZV sells for FAR less than any of the german or us scopes from the same firm.

the only good thing we might see is massive cuts in the terra price-- like a 1/2 off sale --

if they cheap enough --then maybe i might consider one-- but were in BSA price range  now--LOL!
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Comparing the Terra to a newish Leupold VX II, 3-9x40 in daylight, the Zeiss' resolution is noticeably better than the Leupy and the softness at the edges isn't as noticeable as it first appeared. I will place it in some rings and compare them side by side with both the Vari-II 3-9x50 and the VX II 3-9x40 and report back.

Ilya, if I were to send the Terra to you for review, how soon could you turn it around?
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Originally posted by CJarvis CJarvis wrote:

Comparing the Terra to a newish Leupold VX II, 3-9x40 in daylight, the Zeiss' resolution is noticeably better than the Leupy and the softness at the edges isn't as noticeable as it first appeared. I will place it in some rings and compare them side by side with both the Vari-II 3-9x50 and the VX II 3-9x40 and report back.

Ilya, if I were to send the Terra to you for review, how soon could you turn it around?

That depends on how busy I am at any given time.  The testing itself does not take me long.  However, I almost never test a scope without comparing it to something similar from another maker and rounding up all the scopes I would need can take a while.

In this case, since the Terra runs around $400, at a minimum I would need to borrow the original 3-9x40 Conquest from someone as well as the Meopta MeoPro 3-9x42.

That would make this a worthwhile follow-up to this article:


Perhaps, I would also want to add this one to the line-up:

A line-up like that can be duly tested in about three weeks if I can arrange to get all of the scopes in before Christmas.  I will have some free time between Christmas and New Year.

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If you think that's something you want to tackle, let me know. I think many, including myself, would be interested in the results.
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Ilya, I have a 3-9 Conquest not currently mounted on a rifle that I'd be happy to send to you if you wish.
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Originally posted by CJarvis CJarvis wrote:

If you think that's something you want to tackle, let me know. I think many, including myself, would be interested in the results.

That would be interesting.

Since you can send me a Terra and Rifledude can send me a Conquest, this is probably worthwhile.

I will be traveling until December 16th.  If you can get me the scopes before December 20th, I'll do the test.

I presume both scopes are in good condition with not apparent scratches on the lenses, right?

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No damage of any sort on the Conquest.
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I just received the scope last Friday and set it in rings last night. Not a mark anywhere on it. I noticed last night after placing it on the rifle that the softness seems to be significantly reduced however I also noticed that the index mark on the turrets tend to move when turning the turrets. I'll call Zeiss and see what they say.
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The CS rep. I spoke to at Zeiss stated that the index marks on the turrets should NOT move when turning the adjustment knobs and that I should sent it in. I thought this a little odd since every other scope I have has some sort of movable index for setting a "zero" point after sighting in the scope but the Zeiss rep stated that the Terra line does not have this feature. ???

Ilya, I assume that you'd rather me have the scope repaired/replaced prior to sending it to you?

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Originally posted by CJarvis CJarvis wrote:

The CS rep. I spoke to at Zeiss stated that the index marks on the turrets should NOT move when turning the adjustment knobs and that I should sent it in. I thought this a little odd since every other scope I have has some sort of movable index for setting a "zero" point after sighting in the scope but the Zeiss rep stated that the Terra line does not have this feature. ???

Ilya, I assume that you'd rather me have the scope repaired/replaced prior to sending it to you?


Yes.

If there is something wrong with the scope, better have Zeiss take a look at it first.

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