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Zeiss was displaying the new Lotutec coating but I didn't pay any attention to that.  I looked through all the binos and finally got my hands on a pair of 10x56 FLs that I have been wanting to see and feel.  I also got to look at Zeiss' new long range reticle which looked interesting.

 

I finally got to see the classic line.  Most of you don't remember but I posted on this forum that they were selling these in Europe about 2 years ago and it was driving me crazy as to why they even had this line and what this line was.  I finally got my answer.

 

Basically, they looked to me exactly like the old ZM/Z scopes with T* that were made in German.  I'll spare you guys the Zeiss history since I have beat that horse to death in the past.  I asked the rep about this and he said they were not exactly like the ZM/Z scopes.  He called them a hybrid.  I quizzed him on this pretty good and basically it is a ZM/Z body with the VM/V optical system or AOS glass.  Which basically means that they are using the same lead free glass and T* coatings that they are using on the Victory VM/V scope.  This struct me as very strange and asked the reps why they would actually bring this to market and their explanation actually made some sense.  The classic line is for someone who wants the top of the line optics (brightness and clarity) but who could afford to sacrifice the weight and field of view advantages that the VM/V offers.  So I guess I would compare it more to the Swarovski PH or maybe S&B, but I don't know.  I believe the PH and S&B would probably have less tunnell vision and more field of view than these scopes would have.  I didn't really look through them that much but I am now wishing I had.  To me it all depends on the price these scopes are placed at.  He seemed to say that they would be around $300 cheaper than a comparabe VM/V scope.  The main thing that I did like is that they brought back the old classic 1-4x24 or ZM/Z, or hybrid, or whatever you want to call it.  I have never liked the fact the the VM/V 1-4x24 was only available in a illuminated varipoint.  That never made any sense to me.  On a dangerous game rifle, you want simplicity and utter reliability, not fancy gadgets.

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Great info Tbone1 on the Zeiss Classic's. These scopes might be very good competition to Kahles,price and glass wise. Tbone1 did the rep say if the Classics were going to be Lotu-tec coated?
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Though I can't speak for Tbone1's intel on this, my understanding from the Zeiss reps I talked to at another recent show is that eventually, all their optics would be receiving the Lotu-tec coating, starting with the VM/V scopes, followed by the Victory FL binos, then trickle down to other lines.  I can't verify whether or not this is true, but this is what the Zeiss folks told me.

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He didn't say.  I wouldn't think that they would put Lotutec on these scopes but you never know.  It seems that they are phasing Lotutec in one bino (or scope) at a time over the spring and summer on there top of the line products.

Like I said, I haven't decided exactly where the classic line will compete.  It is bascially the same line as the ZM/Z (same body anyway) made in the 1990's except now the glass is lead free.  On the surface it seems like a step backwards.  I believe the optics will be exceptional but I remember the ZM/Z line.  They were fairly long, heavy, and bulky scopes with significant tunnel vision.  The VM/V was somewhat revolutionary when it lauched.  The VM/V had drastically reduced weight, bulk, tunnel vision, and drastically improved field of view over the ZM/Z line and all other scopes in its class.

 

The Classic advantage over the Kahles CL would be in the fact that the Classic will have a 30mm tube, 4x erector, and 1st plane reticle.  The CL would have better field of view, and would be more compact.  I won't comment which has better glass since I have very little experience with the CL.  The VM/V would have the best of both.

 

I believe the ultimate reason that they are bringing the classic line to the market lies with the Euro vs. the dollar.  For the last several years the inflated Euro or weak dollar (however you want to look at it) has been consistently driving the prices up for all European made optics to the point where they are getting unaffordable to alot of Americans.  Before long, if this trend continues, we will see the top bino and scopes topping $2000.  I think Zeiss realizes this and is making an attempt at trying to give people (who want top of the line German glass) a somewhat affordable option.

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Thank you Tbone1 and Rifledude for the info on Lotu-tec and its availability at this time. Very good insight Tbone1 on the market.
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Thanks, Tbone1.  Always very valuable info you bring to the topic!
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I appreciate the great info on Zeiss optics tbone1!!! I am always very interested in Zeiss Optics info.
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Thanks so much tbone!  Great info.
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Good stuff Tbone, thanks for the info.

 

You know one thing that bugs me? Their new Rapid Z recticle. Its basically the same as Leupold Boone & Crockett long range recticle & it will be great. They offer it on all the conquest modles but only offer it on the 6-24x56 & 6-24x72 models in the VMV line.

 

They don't offer it in the basic 2.5-10 or 3-12 scope.

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