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I am currently planning to purhase a new scope for a 270 rifle.  I am considering the Zeiss conquest 3x9x50, the Monarch 2.5x10x42, or the Sightron Big Sky Sll 3x12x50.

 

I currently hunt with a 7-08 with a Monarch 6x42 mounted on it. I don't feel like the 270 will stretch my hunting distances as there has been no problems up to 260yds, thus far.There is not a problem with the set-up that i currently use, this is rather a want than a need. I don't have a problem with the 6x42, I really like the clarity and it has been more than enough on all of my hunts. Should I consider a FXlll 6x42 Leupold, Sightron Big Sky Sll 6x42 or try to find another Monarch 6x42?

 

I do like being familiar with a set-up, I really not sure of the quality of the scopes i have mentioned as we have no local vendor for any of them. I bought the Monarch, because it was recommended on this site. I bought the 270 for myself and am giving the 7-08 to my daughter. Any ideas are welcomed, as are any ideas on coaching my daughter.  She has gone hunting with me the past 2 years and has shot my 22-250 that is identical to the 7-08. The scopes are the only difference as the 22-250 has a 3x9x40 elite 3200 mounted. Thanks in advance for the help.

 

 

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Thanks for nothing. All those glances and no opinions or advice. Seems like a waste of time to help a parent, to help their kid to learn and enjoy the hunt.

 

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Sorry you didn't receive answers to your questions, Stuart.  One of the reasons you may not have received an answer is you posted on a Friday and many of the regulars here may be away from home and not visiting the site much over the weekend.  I know I personally don't remember seeing your post until today.  Please don't take this as a reflection of the people here, as there are many friendly helpful folks among OT members.

 

The 7-08 is an excellent cartridge for your daughter.  It performs way beyond what its mild recoil would seem to indicate.  Good choice there -- you wouldn't want your daughter to develop a flinch early on in her shooting career!  If the group you posted is indicative of how it shoots, then her develping shooting skills certainly won't be hampered by an inaccurate rifle!

 

Fixed power scopes do have their place and offer the advantages of comparatively lower cost, fewer moving parts so theoretically less chance of problems, and consistent field of view.  If I were selecting a fixed power scope, I'd probably opt for a 4X for the greater FOV and faster shot capability at short range and still have sufficient magnification for most of the longer shots you'd typically attempt on big game animals. 

 

For most hunting rifles, I personally prefer the greater flexibility a variable offers.  I've heard great reports on some of the Sightron scopes, so the Big Sky may very well stack up well against the Conquest and Monarch.  I just have zero exerience with Sightron, so I can't comment on them.  Both the Zeiss Conquest and Nikon Monarch are excellent choices.  Between those two, I'd give the slight optical edge to the Conquest, unless Nikon has made optical improvements in the new Monarchs over the previous generation I don't know about.  I personally don't like 50mm objectives on 1" main tube scopes for big game rifles because it generally requires high rings, and I like to keep my scopes mounted as low as possible for fast target acquisition & consistent cheek weld.  I would personally select the 3-9X40 Conquest for that reason, but that's just me.  Others will disagree.  The 50mm version of the scope will have better low light performance past 6X, so there are some tradeoffs involved.  If you're primarily a stand hunter and typically have plenty of time to make a rested shot, the larger objective is not that big a deal.  Again, the Monarch is certainly a good choice as well, and it's considerably less expensive.  At the risk of sounding cliche, you really won't go wrong with either.  I just think the Conquest has a little better optics, has glass-etched reticles, and better reticle selection.  Another scope to consider in the same general class as the Conquest and Monarch is the Bushnell Elite 4200 2.5-10X40 & 2.5-10X50.

 

Look no further than www.swfa.com as a source for all the above (except the Sightron).

 

I commend you for getting your daughter involved in the outdoors and shooting sports.  We need to encourage our youth to participate as much as possible to ensure a future for hunting & shooting. 

 

Good luck with your decision -- I think you're on the right track.

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I have not yet played with Sightron's Big Sky series, but I have ample experience with other Sightron scopes.  Under the circumstances, I would probably consider just keeping it simple and going with a 6x42 scope, especially if this for a youngster.  It will typically be a little more robust and often more forgiving in terms of eyerelief.  I spent a fair amount of time with Sightron S2 6x42 and I was very impressed with it.  If the Big Sky version is better it should be a pretty impressive bang for the buck.  I think if you are comfortable with a fixed magnification scope, you should stick with it.  Between the FX-III, Big Sky and Monarch, I would probably go with either the Sightron or the Nikon.  They are optically equal to the Leupy for a lot less money.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I have not yet played with Sightron's Big Sky series, but I have ample experience with other Sightron scopes.  Under the circumstances, I would probably consider just keeping it simple and going with a 6x42 scope, especially if this for a youngster. 

 

I may have misunderstood his post, but I believe the 7-08 rifle he's passing down to his daughter already has a 6X42 scope that he wasn't planning to replace, and the new scope he's considering is for a new .270 rifle he recently bought for himself.  For the new rifle, he was debating between the 3 variables, but hadn't ruled out going with a 6X42 for it like his daughter's rifle.



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I think you are right and I misunderstood.  Either way, 6x42 is a good way to go since he is used to it.

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All would probably be good.

Another thing to check is good service/warranty from the manufacturer you select and SCOPE WEIGHT.

If your going to be doing a bit of hiking the old Up/Down. WEIGHT CAN BE IMPORTANT.

 

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I agree with " I just think the Conquest has a little better optics, has glass-etched reticles, and better/MORE reticle selections."

 

I generally beleive that a 42 to 44MM Objective is plenty big enough for most all Hunting activities.

 

I say go with a Kahles 3X9X42 TDS, you won't regret it.

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I agree with Koshkin that a good 4X or 6X fixed power scope is a good, simple, no-nonsense choice.  I keep telling myself that I'm going with a fixed power on my next rifle... however I always end up going back to another variable!

 

Welcome, badaboom!  I agree the Kahles 3-9X42 (either KX or CL) would be an excellent choice.  I haven't used their new 1" series KX or CL scopes...yet, but I have used the discontinued AH series that they replaced and I would rank its optics a little better than even the Conquest.  However, the Kahles is more expensive than the Conquest he was considering, so that may be a limiting factor.  Keep in mind Kahles doesn't offer the TDS reticle in their scopes anymore.  In its place, they offer a reticle they call "4D."  I don't personally like it as well as the TDS because it doesn't have the increasingly widening stadia lines for windage.

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"Kahles doesn't offer the TDS reticle in their scopes anymore" your right.

But there are still some around and they are a good value,

due to most sales they are wanting to clear them out of inventory

I also agree with you about the 4D recticle and the TDS.

I like the TDS better. Sometime new isn't always better.

 

Thanks for the welcome

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Thank you so very much for the insight!!

 

I know that I sounded a bit upset, for this please except my apology.

 

It is just that I believe that I only have one time to get it right, before the boys seem to be more interesting that Dad. Today we moved up to the 7-08 with the 6x42 Monarch, she started with some light 130gr handloads from the speer manual. She liked the 6x at 75 yards, but took a while, 10 shots, to get just o'kay with the 100 yard target. I need to maybe get some larger orange dots. My plan is to keep her with the light loads until a month before deer season. I bought her a Past Pad but she has not used it yet. I want to personally to go to the Zeiss 3.5x10x44  Conquest on the 270. Will it require higher rings than the Monarch that she will be using?

The 7-08 has had the action trued and is pillar and glass beded. The barrel is a Pac Nor REM BDL contour. As it was mine I did one project a year on it.

 

Now she wants to know why I get a varible and she has to give up the Bushnell 3200.

 

Thank you for all the gracious info.

 

Blessings,
Stuart

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I know where you're coming from Stuart.  I have a 10-year old daughter, and I've been teaching her to shoot a rimfire and taking her hunting with me a few times.  She seems to enjoy shooting and watching wildlife, so as long as she expresses an interest in hunting and shooting and spending time with Dad, I'm going to take advantage of every second I can get!  I will be transitioning her from rimfires to centerfires just as you're doing very soon.  You put together some excellent components for your daughter's 7-08!

 

The 3.5-10X44 Conquest will be an excellent choice for an all-around big game riflescope!  Unless the mounts you've chosen for the Monarch put the scope extremely close to the barrel and you have a much heavier barrel contour on your .270 than the 7-08, you'd use the same rings for the 44mm objective Conquest as the 42mm Monarch.  There's only 2mm difference in objective diameter between the two scopes, so assuming the Conquest and Monarch have the same or close to the same objective bell wall thickness, the Conquest's bell will only be 1mm (0.039") closer to the barrel than the Monarch using the same ring setup.

 

Keep us posted on how your rifle/scope/ring combo works out for you, and be sure to pass along any good hunting stories!  May the time you and your daughter spend in the outdoors forge a lifetime of good memories!

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