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#8, 30mm.

 

Can anyone comment one the above scope if known, in terms of quality vs. VM/V and Conquest lines.  There isn't anything on this model (#521513) anywhere, but from the searches I've made on this forum, I am guessing it's a predecessor to the Conquest lines.  Is the MC quality less than that of the T*?  I'm considering this model (NIB) from old stock at a local gunstore for $600.  Basically, is it worthy of the Zeiss reputation (for being assembled in USA), and worth $600?  Thanks for any input, I'm new to quality scopes. 

 

PS, what is "Z" as opposed to "VM/V?"

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HI

 

As far as I understand the MC is and older coating than the T* and not as good.

The american assembled scopes are not comparable in quality with the european ones, one silly thing is for example that all the ones i have seen have the Zeiss logo not straight on the scope.

 

However it's a good scope and 600 dollars sounds like a very good price.

 

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Welcome to The OT!!

 

Yes, as Technica stated, the T* coatings are superior to the MC coatings.

 

I thought the "Z" was the line that stayed in  Europe and wasn't imported to The States as much.

The "Z" is bigger and heavier than the VM/V.

 

I certainly may be wrong, but I'm thinking the VM/V is superior to the Z line in every way.

 

The Diavari "C", and the "Z" were the predecessor to the Conquest, I believe also.

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The diavari Z was produced in US for a short time.

It's very easy to recognize those scopes as they have the MC coating and the logo is not straight to the scope.

 

The Vm/V have better FOV at low magnification than the Z, but the Z have longer tubes wish sometimes makes mounting low scopes easyer. At least if you like me hates extension mounts.

 

Diavari Z is still produced today but is now called Classic and I belive they are made by Meopta.

 

 

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Thanks guys!  I really appreciate your help.  I don't know if I will go through with it because something about it just doesn't seem right about the quality of the scope.  I always believe great quality should be very obvious, but this example doesn't seem head and shoulders above the Leupold's I've played with.  In fact, my Bushnell Elite 10x seems to have better optical quality than this Zeiss set at 10x. 

 

As for the crooked Zeiss symbol, this model has an illuminated reticle, and the cap can be indexed horizontal to the plane of the scope body. 
Even at $600, I think I'll pass on this one.  Again, I much appreciate your help!!!!

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Try to borrow it and test it in darkness with your Bushnell.

I am quite conviced that the Zeiss will have better performance there.

 

Sometimes I sit and hunt with a number of scopes to compare with.

Sometimes I place out som stuffed animals to really have something realistic to look at.

 

I would be highly surpriced if you Bushnell is better thant the Zeiss.

 

I have had a number of Diavari Z and the best low light performace have been at 8-9X, when run them on 12X they are loosing a bit.

 

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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

Try to borrow it and test it in darkness with your Bushnell.

I am quite conviced that the Zeiss will have better performance there.

 

Regards Technika

 

+1. Unless it is defective, it will have better performance.

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Bottom line opinion from you gentlemen:

 

Is it worth (well worth, somewhat worth, or about worth)  $600? 

 

I'm just trying to gauge the value per dollar.  Otherwise, I will go with a Leupold VXIII of some type.  Thanks again;  I find great value in all of your opinions.

 

PS, I'll compare the Zeiss vs the Bushnell Elite tomorrow at dusk.

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I prefer to pay 10 times as much for a Zeiss than a leupold as the FOV is much bigger and the light is much better.

 

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If the scope is not defective it is well worth the $600.

If the scope does not appear clear it is most likely 

defective and that is why the owner wants to get rid

of it at that price.

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You said it comes with a lit reticle.

Do you know which one it is?? 

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The box list it as "Absehen/Reticle/Reticule  8 bel./ill."

 

The dealer is a friend, and he took it in trade with other items about a year ago.  His specialty is handguns, so this scope has sat brand new for awhile.  I have it right now to play with and make a purchase decision.

 

If I purchase it, I would consider a new reticle.  But is it possible with the US scopes?  Also, can target/BDC turrets be had anywhere?

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You can get bullet drop compensator and windage turrets for it from Zeiss.

You can also get another reticle.

My personal favorite is no:11 so I have changed the reticle in a number of scopes I have.

 

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I have the #11 reticle in a Zeiss VM/V 1.5-6X42. It is awesome in low light. You do not need an illuminated reticle if you have the #11 reticle because it is so thick with the magnification on 4to6 power.
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Yeah the no:11 is really outstanding, cause at the same time as its really big for low light its also the smallest for really accuraty shooting.

Its not problem to aim on the corner of a patch to patch the bulletholes with.

 

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Originally posted by www.technika.nu www.technika.nu wrote:

Yeah the no:11 is really outstanding, cause at the same time as its really big for low light its also the smallest for really accuraty shooting.


Its not problem to aim on the corner of a patch to patch the bulletholes with.

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I am also a big fan of the #11(Zeiss) or the #1(S&B) both the same reticle.
This reticle has been used very effectively by snipers throughout history.
It is a top choice for low light.
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I'm very partial to dots, as in the #60 or #40, because I find it very easy to center a small circle on targets.  I am relying, however, on those listed for illuminated scopes on the Zeiss.com website.  If there are others, such as the #11, I would sure love to see an example of it.  I've decided to keep this scope because of all of your great input.  Now I just want to know all the options for reticles and bdc turrets offered from Zeiss.  I always seem to call them too late, since I am on the west coast and they are on the east.  Anyone have the ability to show me the #11 reticle or those offered with fine dots?
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I just spoke with Zeiss USA and was very disappointed with the lack of service I received.  I asked if the reticle in my scope could be changed and if the target turrets were available.  The lady answered "I'm pretty sure you can."  When I asked for clarification, she stated simply to send in the scope with a note of what I wanted done.  Since it is a Diavari, she told me it would probably go to Europe and that it would cost at least $400-$700 dollars for just the reticle change.  My scope is assembled in the US, so I asked why it would have to go to Europe.  She said she didn't know....she really didn't know anything at all.  What a complete disappointment.
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Zeiss Diavari is a top shelf scope, Diavari scopes are only
made in Germany right now, the US model you picked up at a bargain
price is discountinued. What you were quoted for your custom request
and the scope bieng shipped out sounds fully correct to me.
If you are not happy with your scope the way you bought it you
can get more than what you paid for it on ebay. There is a high
demand for these scopes with the number 8 reticle here in the US.
I agree that the lady at Zeiss USA should have been more informative.
That is the problem with companies that have to much going on. For
a truly serious euro company that does nothing but scopes and does them
right try Schmidt & Bender, Zeiss is my second choice. All the mass
production companies like Leupold,Burris,etc.........have some less
informed people on the lines sometimes far worst than what you
expierienced.


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SVD, thanks for calming me down.  I was really disappointed with the lady, and realize I still have a top notch piece of equipment.  I guess I just need to learn more about what reticles are available, as it seems there are more than the Zeiss website would indicate, and send it in with my fingers crossed.  I will also be looking for a Schmidt & Bender in the near future. 
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Glad to be of help,good luck and happy shooting.
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