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Zeiss Diavari Z 1.5-6x42 T*
Never had one in my hands and wondered what it would compare to that is a current offering.
Is there equal to or better out there for the same money or less?
 
What is a reasonable price for one these days?
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Just to name a few competitors:

Schmidt and Bender Zenith 1.5-6x42 ($1880)

Swarovski Z6 second generation 1.7-10x42 ($2000)

Kahles Helia C 1.5-6x42 (around $1350)

Leica ER 2.5-10x42 ($1399)

Zeiss is the oldest company to make rifle scopes, I think. Therefore they have the most patents and their optics are considered to be the best. However, when it comes to the competition, it's a close call, and boils down to personal preference. Of course some (mainly the Swarovski) have some advantages of their own (6x power span), but the price is higher. 

S&B are very good in low light. They are also quite compact, but are heavy.

Leica and Kahles - nothing really special.

Like I said, it comes down to personal preference. If I'd be buying I'd probably try to get together enough funds to get the Swaro. The power span on that thing is very neat.
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Originally posted by Trickster Trickster wrote:


Leica and Kahles - nothing really special.



Would you care to elaborate on that comment?

And are your thoughts from first hand knowledge?
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I bought the Zeiss 1.5-6 and Swaro 1-6 off of the Sample List, because of its larger objective the Zeiss is brighter, it is also FFP, in a lower power scope I would have preferred a SFP (reticle is hard to see at 1.5).
Any of the top end 1 or 1.5 to 6 scopes are great glass, the Sample List still had some 1.5-6 Zeiss scopes listed, don't think you will be disappointed.
The problem comes when you start looking through your older scopes and notice they are not as clear and bright...that gets expensive.
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Quote Would you care to elaborate on that comment? 

And are your thoughts from first hand knowledge?

What I meant was they have no special features (like Swarowski's power span or S&B's compact design).

Optically they are on par with Zeiss.

And no, my thoughts are not first hand, but I do a lot of research and reading on this topic. Therefore don't trust anything I say Big Smile
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Actually, the Leica and Kahles do each have their own special qualities to offer worth considering...

The Leica ER has more eye relief and a longer main tube (more ring spacing and scope positioning latitude) due to its unusually short ocular housing.  It also has somewhat enhanced contrast vs. the others (not necessarily "better," just different).  It also has Leica's version of hydrophobic (water and oil - shedding) outer lens coatings similar to Zeiss's "Lotu-Tec" and Swaro's "Swaroclean" that Leica calls "Aqua-Dura."

Kahles offers very similar performance to the Zeiss at a lower price.  In direct comparisons, I've found they tend to have similar optical performance qualities as Zeiss -- very high resolution, somewhat neutral color rendition and contrast, medium sized "sweet spot" that softens toward the field edge in exchange for better resolution in the field center.  In other words, if you prefer the "Zeiss view" to the other alpha level brands, I think you'll probably like Kahles as well.  And, speaking of the "oldest company," it isn't Zeiss.  Kahles has been making rifle scopes longer than any company on the planet.

All of the scopes thus far mentioned are very, very close to each other in terms of image quality.

So... to answer the OP's question, the Zeiss Diavari 1.5-6-42 is comparable to the very best scopes on Earth of the same config.
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Everyone did a great, but RifleDude(Ted)'s answer is the best.
 
He elborated on several points that people are not aware of.
 
When you aske what are they going for, are you wanting new or used?
New you can have one from $1700-$1800
 
Used, I'd say for how much someone is willing to part with one.
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Don't forget that Kahles has the greatest field of view and is the lightest. ;) 
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I tested back to back the 1.5-6 Kahles and S&B for several months in field conditions

Both were excellent scopes but in the end I kept the S&B
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I'm having a hard time buying a scope I like better than my Diavari's.  You can't go wrong IMO.  German quality in every way.
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I don't know about the "Z" series, but my VM/V Victory rates up there with the best. To my eyes, the S&B Zenith edges out the Diavari.
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I have a 1.5-6X42 Zenith with Flashdot #9 reticle, and I love it.  I would have a hard time deciding which I like better between the Diavari and Zenith; they're so very close in optical quality.  I like the W/E adjustments on the Zenith better, with the cool reticle position indicators.  The Zeiss has less tunnel vision on low power and is lighter, but the Zenith has more contrast IMO, and comparing illuminated models, I do like the Zenith's illumination controls better.  Zeiss has the LotuTec hydrophobic lens coatings and better warranty coverage.  Both have fantastic resolution and low light performance.
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