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Its still some of the best optics you can get right?

Since the HT launch the secondhand prices on these scopes has fallen. I often find ones with illumination to the same price as a new Duralyt.

The same actually goes for the zeiss victory binos.

Only problem I can tell is that the 3-12x56 which Zeiss often is is not that good for driven hunts.

But still, top notch right=
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Of course Zeiss Victory is top-notch, by any measure!

Just because the HT series was introduced doesn't in any way diminish the excellence of the legacy Victory series scopes and binos.

As always, new "improved" versions of high-end optics represent small, incremental improvements, not huge improvements. Zeiss says the HT has noticeably improved light transmission, but the standard Victory scopes and binos already had better low light performance than most optics you can buy.

Are you considering buying a Zeiss Victory scope? In another thread, you seemed to have narrowed your decision down to either a Kahles C or Swarovski Z6i.

Any of the flagship scopes from Zeiss, Swarovski, Leica, Kahles, Schmidt & Bender, and a few others are awesome, and choosing which is "better" all boils down to personal preference. A good argument can be made that any of them could be considered "better" than the others in one respect or another. They are all world-class. Pick based on which scope has features, reticle, and specs you prefer, and you won't go wrong.
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Zeiss really screwed up IMO by eliminating a 42mm objective from the scope lineup.  
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They still offer the 1.5-6X42 in the Victory series, a 2-10X42 in the Conquest HD5 series, a 2-8X42 in the Duralyt series, and a 3-9X42 in the upcoming Terra 3X series, but I agree it's a shame they discontinued the excellent 2.5-10X42 Victory.

However, if the 2.5-10X42 didn't sell very well, then in spite of how much I really like that config, I wouldn't go so far as to say they screwed up. If the move was based on poor sales, then I'd do the same if I were them. The decision to keep or discontinue any item isn't usually based solely on the merits of said item; it's almost always based on sales volume.
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I'm well aware of that Rifle, that it must not have sold real well.  The 2.5-10x42 is one of the best pure hunting scopes in existence IMO.  
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Zeiss really screwed up IMO by eliminating a 42mm objective from the scope lineup.  


You said a mouthful. I think the 2.5-10x42 was the best hunting scope in their line at the time. I'm also sure that if you asked Zeiss they would tell you they discontinued it for lack of sales, or lack of sales by their standards anyway.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

They still offer the 1.5-6X42 in the Victory series, a 2-10X42 in the Conquest HD5 series, a 2-8X42 in the Duralyt series, and a 3-9X42 in the upcoming Terra 3X series, but I agree it's a shame they discontinued the excellent 2.5-10X42 Victory.

However, if the 2.5-10X42 didn't sell very well, then in spite of how much I really like that config, I wouldn't go so far as to say they screwed up. If the move was based on poor sales, then I'd do the same if I were them. The decision to keep or discontinue any item isn't usually based solely on the merits of said item; it's almost always based on sales volume.


I agree with what you are saying Ted and now it looks like they have just about every size and configuration and price point covered pretty darn well. Frankly, with the previous Conquest line, I never really understood why they made a 2.5-8 with a 32mm obj and a 1.8-5 with a 38mm obj. I think the 2.5-8 would have been better off with a 36mm and put a 32mm on the 1.8-5.
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At the end off the day businesses will always look a what amount of $, they are making with a certain product. I never understood why Zeiss had a 2.5 - 10 x 42 and a 2.5 - 10 x 50 in their lineup.
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I dont really know RifleDude. Victory may be in the race because of the good secondhand prices.

the "value" option could also be considered. Here im talking about the new Meopta Meostar 2-12x50i, just like z6i.

hmmmmmm
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The Victory line was designed mostly for the European market. Low light capabilities (large objective) is top priority for all of the night hunting they do. I'd say they buy as few 42 mm obj. scope as we do 56mm and beyond. The high price they command makes it prohibitive for the US market. Hunting in Europe is largely symbol of your social-economic standing. It is similar in prestige to be member of a fancy golf club in the US. I am positive that we produce more insanely expensive golf clubs than they do in Europe.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Frankly, with the previous Conquest line, I never really understood why they made a 2.5-8 with a 32mm obj and a 1.8-5 with a 38mm obj. I think the 2.5-8 would have been better off with a 36mm and put a 32mm on the 1.8-5.


I completely agree. Plus, I never understood why those scopes had to be so dang long and heavy for their power range, especially the latter! For that matter, it seems to me the 3-9X40 Conquest is much longer than it has to be and could lose about 4 oz.
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Originally posted by vgmhunor vgmhunor wrote:

The Victory line was designed mostly for the European market. Low light capabilities (large objective) is top priority for all of the night hunting they do. I'd say they buy as few 42 mm obj. scope as we do 56mm and beyond. The high price they command makes it prohibitive for the US market. Hunting in Europe is largely symbol of your social-economic standing. It is similar in prestige to be member of a fancy golf club in the US. I am positive that we produce more insanely expensive golf clubs than they do in Europe.


No doubt. Huge objectives are much more popular in Europe than they are here because our hunting laws (legal hunting times) and customs differ.
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

I'm well aware of that Rifle, that it must not have sold real well.  The 2.5-10x42 is one of the best pure hunting scopes in existence IMO.  


+100. Love that config. Excellent
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I think Zeiss Zeiss also is starting to get the idea that American hunters don't like 1st focal plane reticles in hunting scopes. I know I don't.
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I just get hold of a Victory Diavari in 1,5-6x42 with the #4 reticle, NIB to a very reasonable price
Last one on the shelf, all new HT coming in.
 
I have three of these scopes now; 3-12x56 with illuminated #40 for low light hunting, a 2,5-10x50 #4 on my .308 Win /Kimber Montana, and now the 1,5-6x42  #4 on my .375 Ruger African.
All with the Lotu Tec coating which is a blessing where I live.
Exellent scopes, and as mentioned above, we can hunt deer and moose all night as long as we can see and make a safe shot.
 
About hunting in Europe beeing an upper class activity, well Europe is so many different things.
In the Scandinavian countries hunting is a great pass time for the common man and farmers.
The landowners have the hunting right on their land, and for some the annual moose or deer season is a great family get together thing.
One often see three generations around the camp fire.
 
Some land owners (farmers) lend out their hunting rights, others do the actual hunting them selfs assisted by friends or relatives. 
Where I live, most of  the hunting is done by ordinary working blue collars;  farmers, carpenters, fishermen, construction workers...you name it.
On the Continental Europe things are very different, as well as on the British Isles.
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