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wjm308 ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: March/11/2010 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 25 |
Thanks Peter, that would be greatly appreciated. All you guys with your Cooper rifles, man those are nice!
Mike, by SONA do you mean Swarovski Optics North America? If that be the case, how much is a reticle swap, it might put me right back to the price of a new one...
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mike650 ![]() Optics God ![]() Joined: May/14/2006 Location: West of Rockies Status: Offline Points: 13048 |
Yes, Swarovski Optics North America I did a plex to 4a change and the cost was around $150. The turn around time was under two weeks. I just noticed that the model your looking at is listed BT. I take it you mean ballistic turret (with plex reticle)? The change out would definitely be more. |
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wjm308 ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: March/11/2010 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 25 |
Mike, I was mistaken, it is simply a plex reticle with no ballistic turrets...
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pcrage ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: March/08/2010 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 26 |
WJM
I did mount the new Z5 on the rifle and compared to the conquest. The cross hairs on the BRX Z5 are finer than the conquest no doubt. I aimed at a number of different things and did not loose sight of the cross hairs on the target...the glass is so clear and brilliant that even though the haris are very fine I was able to discern them.
Ideally I would like a bit thicker hairs but I suspect these will do just fine.
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trigger29 ![]() Optics Master Extraordinaire ![]() ![]() X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ? Joined: September/29/2007 Location: South Dakota Status: Offline Points: 4341 |
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wjm308 ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: March/11/2010 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 25 |
Thanks trigger29, that is something I have been aware of and I wish I could find a ballistic reticle in the FFP, but so far I have been unable to find that in the magnification range I'm looking for and from a manufacturer I prefer. If anyone knows of any scopes with BC reticles in the FFP I would be very interested, thank you.
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wjm308 ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: March/11/2010 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 25 |
I was just thinking about the FFP vs. SFP issue with a BC reticle, I like Zeiss' online calculator because it has the "Optimize Power" button which tells you what power setting to put the scope to in order to get as close to the yardage marks on the reticle to give a more accurate range. Of course, you always have to field verify because calculated data doesn't always match every condition for the powder, bullet, barrel and conditions that you shoot in. This is something that a FFP reticle could not do, it would have to be calibrated to one specific standard, and if your particular ammo does not fit within that standard then your're stuck with "off" numbers for the ballastic hash marks further down the reticle. I just wish Swarovski had an "Optimize Power" button with their ballistics program because I am leaning toward the Z5 3.5-18x44 scope with BRX reticle at this point.
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okc4956 ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() ![]() Joined: October/13/2009 Location: Oklahoma City Status: Offline Points: 125 |
Just for the record, I bought the same exact Zeiss scope you are talking about with the Z800 reticle thinking for 1/2 the price of the Swaro, I couldn't go wrong.
At 300yds the Zeiss reticle covered up a lot of the target IMO. It's the Swaro next time for me. Z5 or Z6 with the BRX as it appears to be finer. |
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wjm308 ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: March/11/2010 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 25 |
Thanks for the input okc4956, can you tell me what kind of target it covered up? Are you talking a paper target with a small center?
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wjm308 ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: March/11/2010 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 25 |
Just spoke with Swarovski NA and they said they can do a reticle change on the Z5 3.5-18x44 BT to a BRX reticle for $170. It seems that some of you have not liked Swaro's ballistic turrets, is it the turret itself you don't like or the reticle used with the BT scope? I'm wondering if a BT scope with the BRX reticle would be a fine combination? Thanks
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Tip69 ![]() Optics Master Extraordinaire ![]() ![]() Tip Stick Joined: September/27/2005 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 3624 |
that sounds like a lot of coin to me.....
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take em!
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pcrage ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: March/08/2010 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 26 |
For hunting out to 400 yds the BRX is really all you need with most calibers... I personally do not take many hunting shots over that distance so I have only one S&B Precision Hunter turret setup on my .300 weatherby in the event I am on a long range hunt... all others are ballistic reticles or plain jane crosshairs. P
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okc4956 ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() ![]() Joined: October/13/2009 Location: Oklahoma City Status: Offline Points: 125 |
Sorry, just happened to check this. The Z800 covered up the entire target center at 300yds. It was an 8" Shoot'n'C target. I was using it so I could see hits easily. It may be fine for hunting elk and deer, but not prairie dogs I'm thinking.
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mike650 ![]() Optics God ![]() Joined: May/14/2006 Location: West of Rockies Status: Offline Points: 13048 |
The reticle that comes with the BT (ballistic turret) is a plex that's very similar to Leupold "thin duplex". A lot of guys don't like it for hunting though I don't mind it. IMHO what would be a better combo (than BT and BRX combo) is a 4a and BT combo though not sure how that would work in the calculations from Swaro or if they would do it. The 4a retilce is a great choice for low light and the BT would compliment it on longer shots. |
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Quoddy ![]() Optics GrassHopper ![]() ![]() Joined: January/18/2010 Location: NY/VT Border Status: Offline Points: 49 |
Much of my originally mentioned problem with the BT has been been lessened now that the interior portions of the turret no longer have the "stuck together" newness. Initially, it was a real pain to get the turret apart to zero it. The Plex reticle is just slightly on the fine side for my liking, but I'm still able to see it OK under almost all conditions. I'm doing a lot of range shooting with it right now, and with good success.
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Tip69 ![]() Optics Master Extraordinaire ![]() ![]() Tip Stick Joined: September/27/2005 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 3624 |
that's good shooting..... yes sir!
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take em!
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NV Hunter ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: January/21/2009 Status: Offline Points: 66 |
Have you looked at the new Leica riflescope... has a ballistic retice and comes with a billistics program. Long eye relief and ease of mounting are what they talk about. Might be worth a look... NV Hunter
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