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Any opinions on the Zeiss 30x60 spotting scope?
I like the size of this scope and used one several years ago. They are discontinued and I was wondering if one of these was worth finding.
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What are you looking for in a spotter?

This is not an idle question.  I've been talking to Val about Optolyth scopes (I am testing a couple) and I am very curious about what people prefer.  Val has been pretty receptive to what customers like and I can feed information directly to him.

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I am looking for a glass that is easy to use for extended periods. Some bird watching, but mainly long distance viewing of ships. Because of this it doesn't seem that brightness should be a concern. I have noticed that there is a large selection of 80mm scopes available.

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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I am looking for a glass that is easy to use for extended periods. Some bird watching, but mainly long distance viewing of ships. Because of this it doesn't seem that brightness should be a concern. I have noticed that there is a large selection of 80mm scopes available.



If you plan to use the scope for extended observation periods, then everything is important, brightness and all.  Otherwise, get ready for some headaches. 

How much money are you willing to spend?

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I am hoping $1,000 will get me into a pretty decent scope. I definitely don't want headaches. I hope this price range will get me there.

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A couple more questions:  is this going to be set up in your backyard? or do you expect to walk around with it?  Do you need it to be waterproof?

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Just to clarify, the question is not idle.

If you are just going to set this up on a tripod next to your house and observe distant ships, then you should really consider some sort of a large astronomical-type binoculars.  In your price range, you can get some very nice jumbo binos from Garret Optical or Oberwerk.  Something along the lines of Garret Optical 28x110 HD-WP Signature series would work very well and save you some money to boot.  Generally, using both eyes is a lot easier in terms of eye fatigue, hence the binocular suggestion.  If you are OK with slightly lower magnification Fujinon Polaris 16x70 binos are awesome.

With spotting scopes, I have been playing with a couple of Optolyth scopes lately and their 15-45x80 has impressed me with contrast and viewing ease, but I am afraid it is a little over your price range.

Pentax 20-60x80 ED would be a good choice at right around a grand.

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I will be using a tripod and not carrying the optics. I know what you are talking about regarding eye fatigue and spotting scopes and the binocular suggestion sounds like my best bet. The Garret sounds to be a good glass. Do you have experience with any of these binoculars?

The Oberwerk line is pretty extensive and they jump from the $400 range to over a $1000, from what I have seen.

I will have to check around and see if there are any of these available to look through.

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I've looked at a couple of Garret binoculars, although not too extensively.  They are pretty good.  The Signature line should fit your needs well.

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Hey, Koshkin, not trying to totally change the subject, but what is your opinion of the 60 vs. 80mm class objectives, both assuming ED glass?  I realize that, all else being equal, the 60 is much handier to carry around and the 80 will provide better light transmission and supposedly a little better image quality.  But, is the performance difference significant enough to warrant the huge price jump for the 80mm in your opinion?  I plan to buy an ED spotter within essentially the same price range Doug mentions in the near future.  I plan to use the scope for studying targets, wildlife observation, and digiscoping.  The latter requirement is really what drives my interest in the 80mm objective -- whether or not it would contribute to better photos.  Otherwise, I'm not sure I would want to lug around the extra weight and pay the extra cost...unless of course there was a significant enough optical advantage.  I've been considering the Nikon Fieldscope based on the excellent reviews I've read about it for the price.

 

Thanks for your input!



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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Hey, Koshkin, not trying to totally change the subject, but what is your opinion of the 60 vs. 80mm class objectives, both assuming ED glass?  I realize that, all else being equal, the 60 is much handier to carry around and the 80 will provide better light transmission and supposedly a little better image quality.  But, is the performance difference significant enough to warrant the huge price jump for the 80mm in your opinion?  I plan to buy an ED spotter within essentially the same price range Doug mentions in the near future.  I plan to use the scope for studying targets, wildlife observation, and digiscoping.  The latter requirement is really what drives my interest in the 80mm objective -- whether or not it would contribute to better photos.  Otherwise, I'm not sure I would want to lug around the extra weight and pay the extra cost...unless of course there was a significant enough optical advantage.  I've been considering the Nikon Fieldscope based on the excellent reviews I've read about it for the price.

 

Thanks for your input!



Whether there is enough of a difference in image quality to justify the price/size/weight difference is a very personal choice and I really can not answer it for you.

The only recommendation I can make here is that if you are considering the 80mm Nikon, you should take a very close look at Pentax 80mm scope with ED.  It is cheaper and the view is as good if not better.

Also, one of the Optolyth scopes I am playing with right now (and becoming very fond of) is a collapsible 15-45x80 which weighs about as much as most 65mm scopes.

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Thanks for the tip.  Just haven't heard as much on the Pentax.  Will look into the Optolyth as well.

 

Removing the subjective cost vs. performance evaluation, when using the scope for digiscoping, will the 80mm scope yield a noticeably better photo than the 60mm scope, given the same environmental conditions and the same glass quality?  Or, do you think the average person would be able to tell any difference?  I just don't know what effect the objective size has when you throw the camera into the equation, and I'm just wondering if the larger objective will provide any benefits for taking pics, given that the camera can compensate for the difference in light transmission to some degree.

 

Thanks again for your advice.



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I have not really done enough digiscoping to have a good answer for you.  You may need to talk to some birders on how this works.  I would expect the difference to be somewhat noticeable simply because of the exit pupil difference, but I would need to play with this a lot more to be certain of the answer.

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