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is this considered a good ar 15 scope i realize its quite long, i am transitioning from an eotech to a variable scope and cannot decide. too many options too many choices i think about scopes at work, i look at them on here when i come home, my wife is getting pissed. i have only owned an eotech have never looked through a magnified scope do i need lumination or better glass for the money, first focal plane or 2nd, is index matched lens better than multicoat, it was easier buying my house than this.
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no magnification is good for CQB, some magnification is good for mid-range.

I have a few semi-autos (SOCOM and AR) and have EoTech, Aimpoint, Millett 1-4x, and have tried a few others.

It all depends on what you want to accomplish.  Eotech is good for close and is acceptable for medium range (using the large, outside circle for close and the small dot for long range.) 
Aimpoint is good for close and medium range, not as fast on target (for me) as Eotech, but battery life is better.
Magnified scopes like Millett 1-4 and Bushnell 1-4X are great for close and medium distance, but may have some "tunnel-vision" or field of view issues for some.  Also, magnified scopes have eye releif limitations.

For my primary CQB gun, I use Eotech.  For my close- to medium-range gun, I use a Millett (right now, am swapping it out for Swaro, USO, or Nightforce very soon.)


What do you want the optic to accomplish?
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Sorry, forgot to mention:

Conquest is a good scope, as is the Trijicon Accushot - either would work well for you, assuming you need what they offer.
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I've never laughed so hard... "i think about scopes at work, i look at them on here when i come home, my wife is getting pissed"

Best advice is to relax and take your time. These scopes aren't going anywhere but your wife just might. With patience you'll make the best choice without it interfering with more important things.

That scope would definitely be an excellent choice by the way. I myself find illuminated reticles imperative for extreme low light. As for indexed matched lens or multi-coat, it's really less relevant than what the overall quality of the optics provide for, and that scope is pretty near the top, especially for the price. The focal plane is a matter of preference. If it were me, even for as much as I like the optical quality of the Conquests, I would go with a Trijicon Accupoint for the illuminated reticle. They are extremely well priced and the optical quality is supposed to be excellent.

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Looks good to me.

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Originally posted by cadiz cadiz wrote:

is this considered a good ar 15 scope i realize its quite long, i am transitioning from an eotech to a variable scope and cannot decide. too many options too many choices i think about scopes at work, i look at them on here when i come home, my wife is getting pissed. i have only owned an eotech have never looked through a magnified scope do i need lumination or better glass for the money, first focal plane or 2nd, is index matched lens better than multicoat, it was easier buying my house than this.
.....................Great Zeiss optics, but the wrong size! 13.5" long @ 18 oz in weight imo, is not a good scope (size and weight wise) for an AR15.
 
Think about this....For the magnification you receive, or LACK of it, this scope from Zeiss is too long and too heavy. I have a 1.5-5x20 Leupold VX3 that is only 10" long, that weighs only 9.5 oz. It has nearly the same magnification as the Zeiss, but it is 3.5" shorter and weighs less by almost double!! A lower powered variable should not be this large and heavy. IMO, while its optics are excellent, it is a VERY poor design in size and weight from Zeiss.
 
Yes! You will get somewhat better optics with a Zeiss. But in reality, the VX3 for hunting and shooting purposes, offers great optics, with a far better size and weight for maintaining your AR15`s mobility and handling. Also, a 20mm obj. as opposed to a 38mm obj., offers a lower and better looking profile for an AR15. However, under extreme low lite conditions, the Zeiss will have an advantage, but not by a wide margin.
 
Under most hunting conditions if not all, if you can`t get it done with the VX3 or similar scope, you won`t get it done with the Zeiss Conquest either.
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your post was very helpful, i had looked at that same leupold and the bushnell 4200 1.25-4 what i'm trying to avoid is jumping on a scope bandwagon like i did with the eotech, getting it home and realizing i'm not kicking in anyones door to clear their house, my irons work well at short distances and i suck shooting with both eyes open, i don't want to go to the range with a 50mm scope and look like a dick, but i would like to comfortably shoot out to 300yards. i shoot whatever ammo i can get 55 to 75, my rifle is a 16 inch pof-usa 5.56, i'm sure most of what i have looked at would be good, but these reviews are priceless, before making a purchase.  
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I too have been looking for a 223 scope and I have looked at a lot of scope ads. I have decided on a Leupold 1.5-5x20 VX-III custom with a M1 elevation turret and BDC for the load I use. This should give me the ability to engage IPSC targets and steel plates from close to medium ranges. I looked at the Zeiss but it's to long.
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Originally posted by cadiz cadiz wrote:

your post was very helpful, i had looked at that same leupold and the bushnell 4200 1.25-4 what i'm trying to avoid is jumping on a scope bandwagon like i did with the eotech, getting it home and realizing i'm not kicking in anyones door to clear their house, my irons work well at short distances and i suck shooting with both eyes open, i don't want to go to the range with a 50mm scope and look like a dick, but i would like to comfortably shoot out to 300yards. i shoot whatever ammo i can get 55 to 75, my rifle is a 16 inch pof-usa 5.56, i'm sure most of what i have looked at would be good, but these reviews are priceless, before making a purchase.  
.................If your not bustin in doors and clearing housesRoll%20on%20Floor%20Laughingand want a more comfortable scope for 300 yard target/varmit shooting, then consider these other two higher powered alternatives.
 
Leupold VX2 Ultralite; 3-9x33 @ only 8.8 oz in weight and 10.96" in length.
Leupold VX3 ............; 2.5-8x36 @ only 11.6 oz. in weight and 11.4" in length.
 
Either one will look good and both do offer reasonable dimensions and weight, without necessarily overwhelming your rifle. Unfortunately, when you go beyond the 5x, you also get the belled, higher profiled objectives......Can`t have everything, so you need to compromise somewhere because of your 300 yard requirement. 
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

 
Think about this....For the magnification you receive, or LACK of it, this scope from Zeiss is too long and too heavy. A lower powered variable should not be this large and heavy. IMO, while its optics are excellent, it is a VERY poor design in size and weight from Zeiss.


+1 on all that, good idea but just to big for its magnification range.
 
Quote Also, a 20mm obj. as opposed to a 38mm obj., offers a lower and better looking profile for an AR15.


You cannot mount an AR scope as low as a scope on a bolt gun or it will not be usable.  What ever scope you choose you will need extra high rings in order to get the proper cheek weld on an AR.  So objective size on an AR is really not an issue at all as far as functionality, just looks for some people.  
 
I would check out the Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x, or an IOR 1-4x http://www.swfa.com/pc-10131-292-ior-11-4x26-tactical-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx  or a Meopta 1-4x http://www.swfa.com/pc-9143-1134-meopta-1-4x22-meostar-r1-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx  Those will all have glass as good as the Zeiss and have a perfect magnification range for an AR. 

I have a fixed IOR 4x with a BDC on mine and just love it for the shooting I do.  I shoot mine out to 500 and 600 yards all the time with just 55 gr FMJ bullets and have great results.
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I scoped one of my AR's with the 2.5 to 8 Conquest. I have an EoTech on my other AR. The Conquest is a great scope - especially considering I only paid 399 for it - But I do feel limited by the 2.5 x low power - wish it was a 1 or 1.5. My AR will put 3 shots into 3/4" at 100yds so I can use it for ground squattels - which is why I got the 2.5 to 8. But for a combat rifle 2.5 is a little restrictive.
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thanks to you all seems to me that  the bushnell 1.25-4 would be my best choice for the money.
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