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Pick a scope.

Swarovski z6i 2-12x50
Kahles Helia 5 2,4-12x56

Cant decide at all. Both makes world-class optics.

My plusses and minus for the Swaro:
+ x6 zoom range. 2 good at driven hunts 12 good at long distance
+ x50 may be mounted a little lower.
- I have heard that the illumination can turn on by itself easy, if it touched ur clothing or anything.


My plusses and minus for the Helia 5
- x5 zoom range, x2,4 may be OK at driven hunts, but not better than x2.
+ x56 may be superior in lowlight/night.
- may need to be mounted a little higher.

I dont know which will be brightest, widest field of view, best illumination and so on.

And yes, I am stuck at these 2 because I find them the 2 best scopes on the market for an all-round hunting scope, form driven hunts to night hunting and long range.

Should i go for the cheapest or have anyone tried to compare?
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I would get the Z6i. It has the best illumination system of any hunting scope I've ever seen, for several reasons. The amber colored illumination is very visible and contrasts well against everything without having to use much brightness intensity setting. The separate day/ night toggle switch saves 2 separate intensities in memory. The illumination controls are well integrated into the eyepiece without protruding too high from the eyepiece housing. Yes, the illumination can get turned on easily by accident. But, that's a minor issue to me.

In addition, the Z6 series takes full advantage of the low end of the mag range like no other scope I've ever seen. The view through the scope at the lowest magnification is the most remarkable thing about the Z6 series in my opinion. At high magnification, it's comparable to any of the other "alpha" scopes at the same magnification. Most scopes either have a soft image around the edge of the field or some amount of "tunnel vision" when dialed down to lowest power. The Z6i has neither. It has an expansive "sweet spot" and the view through the scope seems to extend all the way to the very edge of the eyepiece housing. So, you truly get the full benefit of the entire 6:1 zoom ratio and the expansive FOV.

Kahles scopes are superb. Their illumination system design is also very good, and I like their auto on/off control based on orientation of the scope. It's never a mistake to buy one as long as the scope in question fits your shooting application and budget. But, in this comparison, my vote goes to the Z6i for the additional usable zoom range. Personally, I don't think a 56mm gives you that much additional low light advantage over 50mm when you're talking about premium optics on both scopes being compared. The 56mm scope will essentially allow you to use 1X more magnification for the same apparent image "brightness." To me, that slight advantage doesn't offset the considerable increase in scope bulkiness and weight and the need to use higher rings. But, other people have different preferences and priorities.
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about field of view, I dont know feet, but in z6i it is 21meters at x2 and in Helia 5 it is 16meters at 2,4. both pretty good.

But the swaro is so expensive. I havent seen a price on the Helia 5 but I dont think it will be cheap either.

Im also considering buying a second hand Helia CSX to half the price of what the other two probably costs.

hmm need to rethink
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Hell, even more choices is coming up. The new Meopta Meostar 2-12x50i, S&B 2,5-10x56... hmmm
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New Meopta?
I was under the impression they didn't have anything new coming out, at least at the NRA show
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Why not the Trijicon 2.5-10X56?
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You've been asking about these scopes on other threads, what answer are you looking for?

Example:

http://www.opticstalk.com/best-allround-scope_topic36598_post516446.html?KW=#516446
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Yea sorry Mike. I have a scope problem and one day I have decided and the next day I find a better offer on another scope. Can't help it haha. But trying my best to decide.

And yes Meopta is coming out with the r2 series. 6x zoom like swaro. 2-12x50i and 2,5-15x56i will be released in Europe fall 2013.
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I'll sum it up for you, Renico...

ALL of the premier "alpha" brand scopes -- Swarovski, Kahles, S&B, Zeiss, Leica, etc. are awesome and very comparable to each other. I own scopes from all the above, and I honestly can't pick an overall "winner" between them. Each has individual characteristics I like as well or better than the others. None are necessarily "better" than the others, and different people will have different opinions on which is "better" because different people like different things and have different priorities in a hunting scope. You will never make a mistake by picking any scope from any of those brands, provided the chosen scope's magnification range and reticle is appropriate for the type of hunting you plan to use it for. The same can likely be said for certain Meopta hunting scopes as well, though I don't own any Meopta optics so cannot comment one way or the other.

Find a scope from any of those brands in the magnification range you prefer at a price you're willing to pay and don't look back. It's your money, so you only have to impress your own eyes, not anyone else's.
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Well said Ted. 
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Thanks Rifledude. I went to the store and brought me home a Minox ZE5i 2-10x50 to exactly half the price of a S&B Zenith, and much cheaper than a z6i.

The glass is high-transmission from SCHOTT and also used in Zeiss.

it have 11 illumination settings and the field of view at x2 is 20meters, where the field of view in the z6i at x2 is 21meters.

Couldnt be happier and im glad I didnt spend double the price of something thatsnot double as good.
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The glass may be the same but not the coatings.  Wink
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