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Hi,

I bought a Kimber Super America 270 WSM.. I put a 3x10x42 Swaro scope on it.. Ive not shot it much due to health, but plan to start deer hunting again next fall ,maybe elk too..Anyway where I deer hunt is open type country and I want a scope that will help me reach out there. My eyes are not the best so Im now looking at the Z6/Z6i 2.5x15x44 Swaro..I would like some of your opinions please, I know this scope is new.. I also know its pretty spendy for someone such as myself. I do not plan on buy many more scopes after this though either. It should not have a problem lasting another 25 years or so, right?

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I would think that the 10X Swaro will reach further than the effective range of that rifle for Elk.
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 And I would completely agree with 3-tens.

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I guess its more about my eye sight looking through the scope than anything. I would like to be able to shoot up to 700 yards, thats aboot the max for this rifle anyway, maybe even 650 would be closer.
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A Z6 2.5-15 would be perfect, let us know how good it is :) 
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Swaro also has a new 3-18x50mm Z-6 out..But Im thinkin that would be a awfully large scope for a slimrifle like this.
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If you've not shot much due to health, are you capable of making a shot, from a field position, out to 650 yds? I'd be tempted to try what you have (10X) on a target, out at 300, 400 and 500. Be honest about your shooting abilities, can you consistantly hit a 8" plate for deer? Your 10X is probably enough but I'd be the last person to talk you out of a new scope. I think most people on this forum are here to justify purchasing another scope and/or bino.(Me also, though I don't need much persuasion). If I knew I wouldn't be depriving the kids and wife I'd get it.  
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Well Ive not shot that much for the past 4 years, not by choice. Ive never shot at anything including targets further than 300 yards.Ive killed deer at this range (300 yards) with good shot placement.. Ive bought this new rifle and plan on getting as good as I can with it.That may mean 650 yards max, or it may mean less, don't know?
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Before you shoot at an animal att 650 yards You should practice A LOT to distances far beyond that.
Othervise you'r shot will be "to whom it may concern" and that is ethically terrible.
To be fully honest, I don't belive for a second that you will hit a deer at 550, as it requires a lot from the shooter.
 
Apart from that, the Z6 is very nice scope and I liked the 2,5-15x56 that I used a lot last year. 15X is a lot more than 12X.........
 
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Once you get beyond 300 or400 yards, killing game cleanly under hunting conditions grows exponentially more difficult with every yard of increased distance.
 Exact range estimation is not only more critical, it is more difficult as well. The bullet is losing velocity at a growing rate, and it is falling at an increasing rate at the same time.
 Wind that barely moves a bullet at 100 yards will move it completly off an animal at 500.
 The time of flight increases. The bullet's energy is dropping off at an alarming and increasing rate, Etc.Etc.Etc.
 Bottom line?
 Don't shoot at deer or elk or any big game at 600 yards. Period. There is almost never an ethically valid reason to do so.
 Paper targets?
Go for it, and have fun doing it!
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I do understand a bullets path and velocity loss and wind, etc. Its something one has to study and practice.. Ive hunted all my life, just not at extremely long ranges, and not in the last 4 years becuase of health....I do plan on practicing alot! I want to buy a scope that is capable of what I explained above. A scope that I can see clearly through at long ranges very early in the morning..I like the idea of the 6x zoom feature of the Z6 2.5x14x44 Swaro. Perhaps this is to much scope, I was just asking some from questions from the group. I did not say that I was going to go out this morning and start blasting deer at 650 plus. I would like to get good enough to shoot up to 650 yards or so. That is if the rifle and I am capable. Thanks for the input! JF
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The scope you have is capable of doing what you seek though the Z6/Z6I would be also, and it would offer more magnification but also at higher mag you will lose field of view and light transmission to a certain extent . If you feel you need to up grade and can afford it by all means do so, it is your rig and the most important thing is being COMFORTABLE with it. So with that said practice longer shots get comfy and have fun!     Yippee
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Thanks RL, Ive made many mistakes over the years buying this or that then finding out it was not really what I wanted or needed.. I try and be more careful these days with what Im doing...I really like these Swaro scopes, they very bright and clear. I may not even buy the Z I may go with a different Swaro. But they do not make many with high mag in a 40 to 42 mm. I really do like the newer BR reticle that they have on there web site.. It seems like they would make shots way more accuate. At this point the rifle and scope is more accurate than I am..I look forward to getting used to the new rifle.
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The Z6 is a nice scope, but you have to decide whether it fits you and your rifle well enough.  I am not a very good shot, but as I learn to shoot a bit further out I find that rifle fit is critical.  For one of my rifles I went to a smaller and lower magnification scope simply because I can mount it a bit lower, which helps me hit further out with that particular rifle (the stock does not have an adjustable cheekpiece and the scope has to be low enough, especially for shooting prone).

I think you should first experiment with the scope you have and figure out what configuration of mounting height, position, etc fits you best for shooting from field positions.  Then, if you feel you need more magnification, go ahead and explore your options.  Keep in mind that with the Z6, you need to make sure there is enough clearance between the bolt handle and the eyepiece.

In addition to the Z6 you are looking at and the 3-10x42 you already have, perhaps you should also consider S&B 3-12x42 scope and the new Leica 3.5-14x42 scope.  These give you a touch more magnification with a smaller objective bell.

If you are willing to move a step down to somewhat cheaper scopes Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42 is a very versatile option.

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Thanks ILya! The 3x10x42 Swaro thats on there uses Low Mounts and the bolt barely clears it.. Actually as far as fit? I would not want it to fit any different really, its perfect with the cheek peice. I just want a little more power, like maybe 14 or 15. I think that the Z6 2.5x15 x 44 would be perfect. But I would not actualy know that without trying it would I. The kimber is a small rifle and weighs 6 Lbs. 10 Oz. So I do not want a Honkin Obj. Bell on there even if it did fit me really.. I will take a look at the Leica, thats a good idea! One of the things I like about the newer Swaro's is the BR reticle..Ive read about it, amongst many others and it sounds like the best bet to me...So anyway I will go look at these Leica's and also the Elite.

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Originally posted by JF4545 JF4545 wrote:

Thanks ILya! The 3x10x42 Swaro thats on there uses Low Mounts and the bolt barely clears it.. Actually as far as fit? I would not want it to fit any different really, its perfect with the cheek peice. I just want a little more power, like maybe 14 or 15. I think that the Z6 2.5x15 x 44 would be perfect. But I would not actualy know that without trying it would I. The kimber is a small rifle and weighs 6 Lbs. 10 Oz. So I do not want a Honkin Obj. Bell on there even if it did fit me really.. I will take a look at the Leica, thats a good idea! One of the things I like about the newer Swaro's is the BR reticle..Ive read about it, amongst many others and it sounds like the best bet to me...So anyway I will go look at these Leica's and also the Elite.

JF


If memory serves me right, Z6 eyepiece is a bit larger than the eyepiece on the Swaro American.  You would probably need to mount the Z6 (any Z6) a bit higher.

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Medium rings at the most I hope.
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ILya,
New Leica 3.5-14x42 ER Rifle Scope comes with a BR. I will wait until this scope comes out before I buy I think as I am in no hurry. Im curious if the distance reticle is anything like the Swaro.Have you seen these new Leica's? Thanks for the info! JF

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Originally posted by JF4545 JF4545 wrote:

Medium rings at the most I hope.


Depends on the ring/base manufacturer and rifle used but in most cases Mediums should work with a z6 44mm. I'm using medium Talleys with my z6 (50mm) sitting on a m700. I could actually go to the Talley low's.  
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Mike, 50mm really, How do you like your Z6 anyway?


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It's nice, a 2-12x50, I've hunted two seasons with it now.





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Does it have the 6x zoom? I would have to use high rings(Leupold Rings) to mount that on my kimber. I would like a 50mm but it would not work well for me on this rifle.

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Yes, with Leupold you need highs when using a 50mm. You've received some very good advise on this thread. If your not in a hurry, your existing Swaro is a great choice until you can check out the forth coming Leica rifle scope.

Happy hunting!
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