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pretty much narrowed it down to these two (willing to wait on Z5)

for a 30-06 and an "all around scope"

should I get the 

Z6 2-12x50

or the
 
Swarovski 3-12x50 professional hunter?

or should I just get a Z5?

thanks again,

Jack

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I have a z6 1.7-10x42 on my tikka 30-06 and think it's ideal.
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z6 2-12x50 here.  I like the little extra power and light gathering for my needs.

Can't go wrong with either one, the 1.7-10x42 or the 2-12x50. Thunbs Up
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thanks guys!

I am leaning towards the 50 just because of the light gathering...

now I just have to decide which leg to sell to get it ;-)...

I wish these things went on sales or something you know! a little discount would be nice!

thanks again
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Myself, Im going to wait for the New Swarovski 3.5-18x44 Z5 . Man this sounds like such a great scope for all types of use. I will either mount it on my 7mm Mag Bar or my Kimber 270 WSM. The Z5 is approx 1,000 less than the Z6. It sounds like one hell of a scope and I cannot justify the 2,300 for the Z6 anyway..Its not like I will get more game with the Z6. In reality, what ever that is I could kill as many Deer/Elk with a 500.00 scope. But I like to have nice huntin equipment.
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Originally posted by JackTheRipper JackTheRipper wrote:

thanks guys!

I am leaning towards the 50 just because of the light gathering...

now I just have to decide which leg to sell to get it ;-)...

I wish these things went on sales or something you know! a little discount would be nice!

thanks again
 
I got mine off of the Sample List, for a hefty discount....and as far as I can tell it's brand new.  I was very pleased.
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the Z6 2-12x50 on basspro is 1969.99

how much will this Z5 run? don't you think the 50mm will pull in a lot more light than the 44?

also, I'm noob so forgive me, but when you have the scope mounted and everything, is the, I'm sure there is a specific word for it, but is the view the same size between the 44 v 50?

or can you see more field of view with the 50? (I think that's the word, FOV)

you are sorta talkin me into the Z5! please continue lol!


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Mr Ripper,
Look under Swarovski for your prices on these new scope here.http://www.swfa.com/c-2945-swarovski-z5-riflescopes.aspx

It will show info for all models of the Swaro. Myself I would rather have a scope mounted lower verses a little more field of view. 50mm, 52mm, verses 44mm Objective. Its personal preference. I have the 3x10x42 American and I love it. Super clear and the Z5 should be even better Im thinking/hoping.

Thats it, most of these other folks can give you more ideas than I.

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anyone have any opinions on the 3-12x50 Habicht PV plex Swarovski?

or should I just save up for the Z6 2-12x50?

thanks


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I see no need for an all around scope to have a 50mm objective.  I'd put the Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10x42 as the best riflescope on the planet right now.  To each his own.
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If you go with the Sample List Z6s, try to get a 4a reticle.  IMHO, they are the best for all around use.
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Originally posted by brodeur272 brodeur272 wrote:

If you go with the Sample List Z6s, try to get a 4a reticle.  IMHO, they are the best for all around use.


4a reticle is a great choice.  Thunbs Up


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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

I see no need for an all around scope to have a 50mm objective.  I'd put the Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10x42 as the best riflescope on the planet right now.  To each his own.


The biggest difference between the z6 and Victory is the price. It seems Swaro just had a huge jump in cost vs the Victory.

Optics wise it's so close your splitting the splitting of hairs. Head to Head, between the two, it really comes down to features, name recognition, and what works better through your eyes.





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I agree with Mike.  The decision really comes down to whether you think the 6X zoom range and the FOV advantage on the low end of the power range of the Z6 is worth the $400 or so higher price over the Zeiss Victory Diavari.  You might like the reticle selection of one better than the other.  From what I've seen, the Victory has a bit of tunnel vision on the lowest power settings, whereas the Z6 has virtually no tunnel vision.  I've heard that the Victory has slightly better low light performance, but I can't confirm since I have a Victory but not a Z6.
 
Unless you have much more discerning eyes than I do, I don't think you will be able to select one over the other based solely on raw optical performance.  At least I can't.  As nice is the 6X zoom range is, at current pricing, I personally couldn't justify the additional cost of the Z6 over the Victory.  If you are interested in illuminated scopes, things even up a bit more to me, as I really like the illumination controls and the lit reticles of the Z6 better than Zeiss.
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I have a Swaro PH 2.5-10x42 with a 7A reticle on my 30 06 Kimber Montana , FWIW, I would check the Sample List and look for the best deal on a Swarovski and than pounceBig Grin
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Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

I have a Swaro PH 2.5-10x42 with a 7A reticle on my 30 06 Kimber Montana , FWIW, I would check the Sample List and look for the best deal on a Swarovski and than pounceBig Grin
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Absolutely!  Of course, the same applies to the Zeiss Victory Diavari as well.  I bought mine (2.5-10X50) off the Sample List.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

I have a Swaro PH 2.5-10x42 with a 7A reticle on my 30 06 Kimber Montana , FWIW, I would check the Sample List and look for the best deal on a Swarovski and than pounceBig Grin
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Absolutely!  Of course, the same applies to the Zeiss Victory Diavari as well.  I bought mine (2.5-10X50) off the Sample List.
 
I agree Ted, I should also have  mentioned Zeiss.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

... From what I've seen, the Victory has a bit of tunnel vision on the lowest power settings, whereas the Z6 has virtually no tunnel vision.  I've heard that the Victory has slightly better low light performance, but I can't confirm since I have a Victory but not a Z6. ... 
 
Based on a comparison of ONE Z6 to ONE Victory Diavari, using blue light at about 485nm to simulate dusk, the Zeiss Victory Diavari showed a bit better contrast.  I think the truth is that both scopes are "over the top" in any category you want to discuss.  It is likely that the shooter, not the scope, will be the limiting factor. 
 
I agree with Ted; the difference between the two is so trivially different that it really comes down to personal preference.
 
 
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I have a brand new, never used, never mounted, Swarovski Z6 2-12X50 w/ TDS-Plex reticle.  I have the receipt for the scope too.  I spoke to Swarovski's customer service and they said if you  the submit a copy of the receipt along with filling out the new (never filled out warranty card) that the lifetime warranty  is still in place.
 
Send me a pm if you're interested.
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I am so sad !!!  
Just bought a Zeiss Diavari 6-24x56mm Illuminated Z-1000 ( in January before swaro released the 3-18X  Z6) , and it went on my blaser 270 Wby Mag because I felt that  the Diavari 3-12x56 Illuminated that had before was a little underpowered for shooting/hunting at long range.....


However The 3-12x had an amazing low light performance, but I felt it need a little more power, but the 6-24X that I have now is overpowered ( x's) and doesn't compare in brightness with 3-12X,  with the new one it is be very hard to find any target at less than 200yds. I think it's more suitable for tactical purposes or target shooting. what a mistake.......
So I think the new swarovski Z6 3-18X will be the ultimate scope due to the magnification range that makes it suitable for almost all hunting situations, besides its Illuminated reticle seems that  works on both day and low light unlike the zeiss one....





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What do you think the new Swaro Z5 3x18x44 will be like compared to the Newer Z6 3x18 you speak of? I hope the Z5 has good low light performance as well, your thoughts??

Thanks!

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Originally posted by Agustinmx Agustinmx wrote:


I am so sad !!!  
Just bought a Zeiss Diavari 6-24x56mm Illuminated Z-1000 ( in January before swaro released the 3-18X  Z6) , and it went on my blaser 270 Wby Mag because I felt that  the Diavari 3-12x56 Illuminated that had before was a little underpowered for shooting/hunting at long range.....


However The 3-12x had an amazing low light performance, but I felt it need a little more power, but the 6-24X that I have now is overpowered ( x's) and doesn't compare in brightness with 3-12X,  with the new one it is be very hard to find any target at less than 200yds. I think it's more suitable for tactical purposes or target shooting. what a mistake.......
So I think the new swarovski Z6 3-18X will be the ultimate scope due to the magnification range that makes it suitable for almost all hunting situations, besides its Illuminated reticle seems that  works on both day and low light unlike the zeiss one....







Your Zeiss is an excellent scope but you maybe right, it appears to be more of a specialty scope. I really like the Zeiss Rapid-Z reticles (600, 800, & 1000). Which reticle were you looking at....had you purchased the Swaro z6i 3-18??


You can always try to make a trade with SWFA. They'll give you a fair price for your Zeiss. Thunbs Up


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I think it's back to cost and preference.  I ahve several PH series and Kahles C/CB/CBX/CLs.  The only reason I have tham is due to the Sample List and models being discontinued.  For me, that was more of a deciding factor.  They're all good though.  I was able to get two for teh price of one...
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how do the optics on the swarovski pv compare to z6 and where does kahles cl fit in
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