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Hi all, its been a long time since I've posted on here. I need a new scope for my .308 Win, and am debating between the Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10X44, or the Kahles CL 3-10X50. I can buy a "new in the box, with warranty card" Conquest off of my friend for $500. The CL will cost about $300+  more. Zeiss has a "transferable lifetime warranty", while Kahles has a "limited lifetime warranty." I believe that the Kahles warranty is for the original owner only, but I'm not positive. Is the Kahles CL that much better of a scope? Is Zeiss' "customer service department" good and fair to deal with, if need be ? All replies welcome!
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Welcome back, BB!
 
My solo experience with Zeiss North America CS dept. was exceptionally good. No worries there. I don't recall ever reading or hearing of a negative experience either.
 
 
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+1 Zeiss
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I do have to admit that the Kahles is a better scope, but I have a hard time justifying 300 more for one. That decision can only be made by you. I have been hearing not great things about the cs after Legacy took over importing them. Tough call man. Good luck. I say Zeiss.
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Thanks for the responses guys! I think I'm going with the Conquest. Now, would a matte Conquest look alright on a stainless steel action/barrel with stainless bases/rings ? Or should I sell my stainless bases/rings and go with matte?
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I'd prefer matte on matte.
Stainless rings on a black matte scope tube looks a little too "Rick James" for me. Wink
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

I'd prefer matte on matte.
Stainless rings on a black matte scope tube looks a little too "Rick James" for me. Wink


Good one, LOL!
Matte rings with a matte scope looks far better to me, too. A stainless finish scope looks good with stainless rings, though.
Rick James, hahahahaha...............
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i dont have a problem with stainless and matte together, its not a fashion show its hunting
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Silver/stainless rings look good on a matte scope and stainless rifle.

A 50mm or larger silver scope for hunting, now that's a little too bling-bling for me.
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Jim Zumbo shoots a synthetic stock stainless Remington 700 with a  matt black Swaro and stainless rings. IMHO the rings should match the scope's color as much as possible.
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Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

Jim Zumbo shoots a synthetic stock stainless Remington 700 with a  matt black Swaro and stainless rings. IMHO the rings should match the scope's color as much as possible.


Looks ok to me, oh and the moose too. Big Grin

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The moose looks great. The scope/mount combo.........."Rick James" Wink
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I bought the Zeiss Conquest 3.5-10X44, and mounted it on my .308 Win. I sighted it in today, and I gotta say, this scope is the clearest, brightest HUNTING scope I have ever owned. Plus, the model 700 with Win. brass, CCI 200 primer, 44.3 gr. of Varget, 165 gr. Sierra Game King jumped .100, gave me a 3 shot group just a shade outside of a .25 cent piece. I realize that this isn't even close to BR standards, but it will work fine for whitetails out to 300 yards.
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I had that very scope (silver) on a .300 Win Mag Sako.
Really is a good set up, isn't it?
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I am very happy with it. I was going to buy a Bushnell Elite 4200 for this weapon, but I couldn't pass up the deal I got on the Zeiss. I only have 3 Leupolds left and I would like to sell the VXII 6-18X40mm. I am keeping the Mark IV LR/T 8.5-25X50mm, and the Vari-X II Compact 2-7X36? I think it is a 36mm objective.  
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Originally posted by Blackbird Blackbird wrote:

I am very happy with it. I was going to buy a Bushnell Elite 4200 for this weapon, but I couldn't pass up the deal I got on the Zeiss. I only have 3 Leupolds left and I would like to sell the VXII 6-18X40mm. I am keeping the Mark IV LR/T 8.5-25X50mm, and the Vari-X II Compact 2-7X36? I think it is a 36mm objective.  


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stainless, matte, a combination of them both ~~~ after a proper application of krylon to the offending surfaces we wont be able to tell anyway...
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Save your money, if you already have the bases and rings, I see no need to change them.  This combo looks fine to me.
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I have owned both. The conquest 3.5-10x50 is a great scope but not the scope that the Kahles CL 3.5-10x50 is. I purchased both of these scopes from SWFA. Check out there prices. Also check the sample list. www.samplelist.com. It is owned by SWFA.
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I also purchased the Conquest 4.5-14x50 from the Sample List.  It was in great condition, and it has performed extremely well mounted on my 300WM with a muzzle break. 
 
I chose the target turrets despite the frequency with which I carry it to the woods.  If you want to put a BDC on it, I recommend the target turrets.
 
I had to contact Zeiss customer service once, and the absolutely SQUARED ME AWAY.
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Have no experience with Zeiss, but I love my Kahles.  The question is, is it worth the extra $$.  Can you see the difference?
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For the money get the Zeiss, but of course you can then talk about $500 Zeiss OR 4200 Elite for 200 dollars cheaper http://www.swfa.com/pc-7280-185-bushnell-3-9x40-elite-4200-rifle-scope.aspx

Also, just my experience.  I like the matte black scopes on a stainless barrel anyways, because if your silver scope and the stainless barrel do not match it looks like crap IMO.  Black on Stainless looks way better then silver scope that doesn't match yoru stainless barrel
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