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Hi all!
 
I´m going to buy new rifle scope, and i need your personal opinion:
 
Leupold Mark 4 8.5-25X50 TMR OR Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20X50 Mil-dot.
 
Tell me please. And why?
 
I´ll thank for any reply.
 
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What is your use for the scope?  And what caliber rifle are you putting it on?
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Oh yes, sorry. My rifle is Tikka M65 Deluxe Varmint, 7mm Remingtom magnum. Very accurate,and I use it for long range hunting, from 200-800 yards away.
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I would not get the Zeiss then.  It only has 45 MOA of elevation adjustment.  The Leupold will have a lot more.  Also you are going way over kill on the magnification in my opinion with the Leupold.   If it is a hunting gun you may want to go with something with a lower bottom end.  Check out a 4-14x leupold or a 3-18x42 IOR.  The IOR will have as good of glass as the Zeiss and both are better than the Leupold.  I would get a 20 MOA base no matter what scope you choose maybe even a 30 MOA then you will really be able to reach out there with the 7mm if you ever want to.  WIth the Zeiss you will really limit your self.
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Ditto I like the IOR 3-18, and the 20-30 moa base is a given for long range anything. I won't get into the ethics of shooting game size animals at the longer range you mentioned,Mouth%20Taped%20Shut I'll let some others do that. 
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Ok. Thanks dudes! Guy that is going to sell that Zeiss to me, suggest that it needs few MOA angle in to ring bases. Once i had IOR 9-36X56, and i had angled base in it. Scope was really good, really heavy-duty, and very clear optics in it, indeed. It was really dgood to shoot far away. 420 metres was like kiddieplay. To me, I anyway need more zoom than just X14 or X10. Reason why this, is because i dont need to walk several hunder yards into target and check out hits. If i have X20 or X25 zoom, i can see then thru scope.
 
Thanks, Jimmy
How about optics in Leupold versus Zeiss? And what do you think about mechanics between these two?
 
Sorry im going to sink you into my questions, but i believe you don´t shoot me for this ;o)
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Zeiss leaves Leupold in the dust optically speaking. Mechanically Leupold is a fine scope, and fantastic C.S. The thing is with the power you need the best glass you can get, or it's not worth the effort. 
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and fantastic "C.S"

Sorry, my english ain´t its best shape, could you be littlebit more specific? What C.S means? I know my question between Zeiss & Leupold ain´t so easy perhaps, but Leupold also offers 30 years quarantee, and in my way of use, i need also good and rugged mechanics too. Once i had Swarovski 6-24X50 PV-S with TDS-reticle. It was really good scope, i saw 7.62mm hits in target from 500 meters away in clear weather. Bullet was Lapua Scenar 12g. But Swarovski had unbelievably tiny amount of elevation. Only 70cm from 100 meters away, if i remember correctly. But optics were really good. Then i had NightForce Benchrest 8-32X56. It had 1/8 MOA steps in elevation/windage. Too small. My opinion is that 1/2 MOA clicks / 100 meters would be nice.
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C.S. stands for customer service.  Many scopes are 1/4 MOA not to many with 1/2 MOA.  IOR and Nightforce both make scopes with 1 cm clicks on the adjustments.  That might be something you want to check out.
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Hensoldt ZF 6-24X56  since you are in Finland you might be able to get this
http://shop.livioptik.com/osc/product_info.php?cPath=3_73_82&products_id=315
unfortunately you can not order from SWFA and unfortunately I cant get a Hensoldt in the U.S.  but you might be able to in Finland so Good Luck.
The Hensoldt is the military tactical Zeiss scope, If you can not get that one  try a Diavairi Zeiss with the Z1000 reticle and you wont need a sloped base


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Ah, yes. Thanks. I see.
 
Yes i know that very few (in fact I don´t know any) tactical scopes are equipped with 1/2 MOA clicks. Finnish defence force sniper´s are using Zeiss custom made 3-12X56 called "Findot" at top of theyre Sako TRG 41`s and 42`s. This particular scope has one inch clicks/100 metres.
 
Yes, I know that IOR is very good scope. I have owned one 4-14X50 MP-8 IOR too with illuminated reticle too. But still maximum zoom was littlebit too small.
 
But at the this game´s end, i really have to decide between Leupold Mark 4 or Zeiss Conquest. (Going to check out EBay right now...)
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That tactical Zeiss still only has the same amount of adjustment as the MOA version.  And it has .5 cm clicks, those are some pretty small adjustments.

Also Jimmy Zeiss has a lifetime warranty.
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Originally posted by JimmyL JimmyL wrote:

Ah, yes. Thanks. I see.
 
Yes i know that very few (in fact I don´t know any) tactical scopes are equipped with 1/2 MOA clicks. Finnish defence force sniper´s are using Zeiss custom made 3-12X56 called "Findot" at top of theyre Sako TRG 41`s and 42`s. This particular scope has one inch clicks/100 metres.
 
Yes, I know that IOR is very good scope. I have owned one 4-14X50 MP-8 IOR too with illuminated reticle too. But still maximum zoom was littlebit too small.
 
But at the this game´s end, i really have to decide between Leupold Mark 4 or Zeiss Conquest. (Going to check out EBay right now...)


Well then it looks like you have to make a choice.  Have bad glass with the Leupold that will not perform well at 25x or run the possibility of not having enough adjustment for your longer shots with the Zeiss.
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In fact I just today checked out this 6-24X56 Zeiss. Brand new, price was 1890 euros, that is...2865 USD.
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One question more: I´m wondering why the heck Leupold can´t make better glass into their top-of-the-line scopes? Mark 4 aren´t very cheap ones. Few finnish snipers have told me previously, that NightForce is very good scope, but optical quality is same than in Meopta. Very good, but Zeiss/Hensoldt is better. Schmidt&Bender too, i believe.
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Well the Leupold Mark 4 is quite useable for what it is designed for.  I have two of them one is an 8.5-25x50 illuminated mil dot and while it may not be glass of the same quality as a U.S. Optics or S&B or Diavari it is quit functional and will kill very effectively. The mechanical workings of the scope are flawless and the glass is quite adequate to kill anything withing 1000 + yds. Now will it resolve bullet holes in your 600 yd target - probably not so buy a spotting scope.  Most of the people I know who are shooting at targets that shoot back use Leupold  -- it's RELIABLE.
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Once you pass the $1000 mark it better be really special to get past the $2000 mark. between $1000 and $1500 there are some trade offs one brand may have better glass another better mechanical system or better service or better availability. If you are not shooting at targets that shoot back you dont need the reliable mechanical system as much as you need high resolution glass.

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Originally posted by JimmyL JimmyL wrote:

One question more: I´m wondering why the heck Leupold can´t make better glass into their top-of-the-line scopes? Mark 4 aren´t very cheap ones. Few finnish snipers have told me previously, that NightForce is very good scope, but optical quality is same than in Meopta. Very good, but Zeiss/Hensoldt is better. Schmidt&Bender too, i believe.
 
 They " leupold " could put better glass in ... they won't . Zeiss lenses are far superior and so are quite a few more ... it all boils down to less quality & more money = consumer ripoff . They know they've got a braindead/brainwashed  crowd who'll pay too much for them . I love that " they'll repair them fer ya quick" at the 200 - 300 % cost markup over comparable scopes ... they should totally replace them !   Behead
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Originally posted by mercenary1947 mercenary1947 wrote:

Originally posted by JimmyL JimmyL wrote:

One question more: I´m wondering why the heck Leupold can´t make better glass into their top-of-the-line scopes? Mark 4 aren´t very cheap ones. Few finnish snipers have told me previously, that NightForce is very good scope, but optical quality is same than in Meopta. Very good, but Zeiss/Hensoldt is better. Schmidt&Bender too, i believe.
 
 They " leupold " could put better glass in ... they won't . Zeiss lenses are far superior and so are quite a few more ... it all boils down to less quality & more money = consumer ripoff . They know they've got a braindead/brainwashed  crowd who'll pay too much for them . I love that " they'll repair them fer ya quick" at the 200 - 300 % cost markup over comparable scopes ... they should totally replace them !   Behead


Seems Leupold usually replaces the scope vs. just repairing it free of charge. That's what happened with a couple of my relatives who had scope break downs. Brand new scopes within a few days.


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