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Lets say you are going on a hard core hunting trip up in the mountains and want a scope to use on 200-500 yds. You can trust that its gona be extreme weather and maybe you only get a chance to shoot in very low light conditions.  Which one of these would you choose and why?

Zeiss Conquest
Bushnell 4200
Bushnell 6500
Burris XTR
 
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The 4200 has Rainguard and might help in that regard.
ALL scopes can fail, my friend. 
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Well, its either Zeiss or Bushnell Elite. They are equal in Brightness in low light to my eyes. The Zeiss Zplex is better than the Bushnell Plex for low light but the Bushnell has Raingaurd coating to help see through fogging on the lens... As much as I like Zeiss I think I would lean toward the 4200 or 6500 because of the Raingaurd. I will say that the 3-9x40 Elite 4200 is nice but I think the original 4200 optics are better somehow to me. The 2.5-10x40 sounds about right I would think and if you want a heavy plex the Firefly reticle is great. It is very heavy and stays just as black as the Zeiss Z plex in low light but the center of the reticle is a standard thin plex for long range shooting. The 6500 would be nice also but you cant get a Firefly in that model and it will be heavier. You could get the 4200 4-16x40 with adjustable objective and a bit more eye relief.
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Any of them will be fine.  I love my Burris scopes for how rugged they are.  Never had on fail yet.  Have the xtr and love it.  Downside is it is heavy, so you might want to consider the weight for mountain packing.

Zeiss is a great scope as well.

Cheaptrick brings up a great point on the Elites.  Raingaurd.  And it works great.  I have a 3-9 4200.  Great scope.

Flip a coin I guess.  What power range would you like?  What type of features.

After playing with some scopes yesterday, I would say put a SS Variable on that rifle.  It hands down beats the XTR and 4200s in my opinion.  Don't know about the Conquest, but the SS is a kick butt scope!
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I had a look and the firefly recticle looks a bit too bulky. I kinda like to have the center of my recticles very thin. But Im leaning towards the Bushnell. Can you guys recommend good and sturdy rings/bases to mount this scope on a Sako hunter?



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The outer post are very thick then they drop down in size to a regular heavy size then in the middle they drop down to the same thin center crosshairs that the standard plexes always have. When I first got mine I hated it, but once I took it out and looked at a few things through it and realized how well it stood out against any background and realy stood out in low light without even being charged to glow I grew to like it for brush hunting. The center of the reticle is the same as any Nikon, Weaver or Bushnell plex. You can always order one and if you dont like it even after trying it out Bushnell will refund your money for up to one Year from purchase. I think they still make that offer.
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.....and bring a spare in identical rings.....Smile
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

.....and bring a spare in identical rings.....Smile
 
Thats exactly what I did on my last Western outing, Ed.
If you got room in your pack, by all means.    
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Originally posted by shooter4 shooter4 wrote:

I had a look and the firefly recticle looks a bit too bulky. I kinda like to have the center of my recticles very thin. But Im leaning towards the Bushnell. Can you guys recommend good and sturdy rings/bases to mount this scope on a Sako hunter?




Talley.


Best I've used on Sako/Tikka rifles.
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Just wondering if you guys can recommend some good mounts to put this scope on the Sako? (Leupold´s any good?)
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Originally posted by shooter4 shooter4 wrote:

Just wondering if you guys can recommend some good mounts to put this scope on the Sako? (Leupold´s any good?)
 
See Rancid's post directly above your last one.
Talley.
The Sako guys in the know generally seem to lean that way.
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All of these are good scopes.  Performance in very low light is likely to come down to whether you can see the reticle or not.  To that extend I would rpoabbly suggest looking at Trijicon Accupoint along with the copes above.

Of the Bushnell scopes, Elite 4200 2.5-10x50 with illuminated #4 is probably best suited for low light.  With the Conquest, #4 reticle would be the way to go.

With Burris XTR, you would have to go with illuminated Ballistic MilDot in the 3-12x50.

Ultimately, it comes down to what scope configuration you want.  If you are trying to keep things as light as possible, Trijicon Accupoint 3-9x40 would probably be the best fit.

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Good advice, I have Accupoints in 3-9 and 2.5-10 and they are balls-out great!

Get Talley mounts.  I prefer the aluminum light-weights with integral base.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Get Talley mounts.  I prefer the aluminum light-weights with integral base.
 
Totally agree, but he has a Sako.  They don't offer the aluminum LW versions for Sako, although they do have them for Tikka.  Not the same mounting system. 
 
However, the steel bases for Sako work great.  I have them and the fixed steel rings on 2 Sakos and have no complaints whatsoever.  They are very secure, well-made, nice looking mounts!
 
Talley, without a doubt!!!
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Sorry to confuse, I thought the Sako and Tikka mounting setup was the same (integral rail, tapped for additional mounting options.)  I've owned many Tikka's never a Sako - a problem I might need to consider remedying.
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Sakos have integral grooved receivers like Tikka, but unlike Tikka, the groove width tapers toward the front so that the mount bases get tighter from the scope's momentum during recoil.  The only Sako that doesn't have the tapered dovetail receiver rails is the new A7, which has the conventional tapped holes.

 
Either way, of the scope mount options for Sako, I still like the Talley mounts the best.
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Good advice. You know where I can buy Talley mounts for Tikka T3 lite rifle?
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Originally posted by shooter4 shooter4 wrote:

Good advice. You know where I can buy Talley mounts for Tikka T3 lite rifle?



With those, I have MUCH experience.

SWFA stocks them.

Enjoy!
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I used SAKO mounts on Sakos before and Redfields, too.  
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

The 4200 has Rainguard and might help in that regard.
ALL scopes can fail, my friend. 
 
+1    I carried a spare to Colorado. 
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There is nothing better in low light than the Trijicon with an illuminated reticle and it comes on target rapidly almost like it has a mind of its own.  The fixed 6x leupold with long range duplex balistic reticle is also a fine choice for hunting out to several hundred yards in low light because 6x42 has a 7mm exit eye pupil and the balistic reticle would have the X at 200 the next dot down 300 the next dot 400 and the top of the lower post about 500 but you should check on the range to verify how closely it matches your cartridge and brand of bullet.  Every different bullet will have a different trajectory.  These are my two favorites as far as  hunting scopes.  The advantage of the 2.5-10x56 in low light is that even at 10x you still have a 5.6mm exit eye pupil and at 7 power you would have a 7mm exit eye pupil.   With a 3-9x42 scope you are at 6x before you get to that bright 7mm exit eye pupil.   Note balistic reticles only work at the highest power so a fixed 6x42 with a balistic reticle is very useful at long range out to about 500 or so yds.
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