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THought I will ask the Optic gurus themselves. Excellent

I just ordered a CZ 452 and planning to get serious on competitive shooting, I would like to start with 50 yards and looking for a nice scope which gives me good advantage in doing better (I know 60% of accuracy is the shooter). I have heard a lot about Weaver T 36, Leupold, but those scopes are out of my price range. 

Since I don't have any of those mega expensive rilfes (Anschutz, SUHL etc) I plan to compete in sporter class with whatever equipment I have. And Magnification is limited to 6X in this class. Cool

Few guys on the rimfirecentral suggested me to go with Weaver T24, it is a 6-24X but also tad expensive (more than my rifle). Is there anything which gives me 6X to 16X or 24X and doesn't cost as much as T24. Bandito

Is there is anything 80% as good as Weaver and costs less. Sorry if I offended many member who consider scope should be twice as expensive as gun. I always try to live within my means and have been saving for this rig (also sold my 10/22) to fun this. I more like a honda driving guy :) takes me from point A to B and provides most the stuff I look in a car. Yippee 
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Perhaps something in the Vortex Crossfire line-up would suffice? 
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So what do you wanna spend?  If you tell us your price range we can try to recommend the best optics that falls in that budget that will work.
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$150-250.
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This one was recommended above, it not a bad scope and is backed by a lifetime warranty and lots of them are in use
Vortex 6-24x50 Crossfire Rifle Scope
Stock # - CRFAO11MDT
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  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
  • Sunshade
$99.95 
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Weaver 3-9x32 Classic Rimfire Rifle Scope Dual-X Weaver 3-9x32 Classic Rimfire Rifle Scope
Stock # - 849398
  • Matte
  • Dual-X
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
$229.95 
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Weaver 3.8-12x44 40/44 Rifle Scope Varmint Weaver 3.8-12x44 40/44 Rifle Scope
Stock # - 849527
  • Matte
  • Varminter
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
  • Aspherical
$209.95 
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These two also are close to your price range and also have the AO that you'll need with a rimfire
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heres a nice fixed 6x
Sightron 6x42 SII Riflescope Plex Sightron 6x42 SII Riflescope
Stock # - SII6X42
  • Matte
  • Plex
  • 1"
$224.95 
and a 4x
Sightron 4x32 SII Riflescope Plex Sightron 4x32 SII Riflescope
Stock # - SII4X32
  • Matte
  • Plex
  • 1"
$186.95 
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+1 for SVT's suggestions. I'll add

Burris Timberline 4-12x32 w/ AO    $219

There is a swify premier airgun scope on the sample list for $149
    should hold up to a 22 fine and it has adj. objective down to about 10yds.

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My suggestion would be the Fixed power 6x42 Super Sniper at $299.95 that way you will have target knobs.  Since you are limited to 6x anyway that one is the best suited 6x to precision shooting. Leupold makes a 6x42 Competition Hunter with target knobs also but its a couple hundred more.  The Super Sniper 6x42 will give you adjustable parallax from 10 yds out which I believe will be important to you.
SWFA SS 6x42 Tactical Riflescope SWFA SS 6x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS6X42
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Rear Focus
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 1/4 MOA
$299.95 


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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

My suggestion would be the Fixed power 6x42 Super Sniper at $299.95 that way you will have target knobs.  Since you are limited to 6x anyway that one is the best suited 6x to precision shooting. Leupold makes a 6x42 Competition Hunter with target knobs also but its a couple hundred more.  The Super Sniper 6x42 will give you adjustable parallax from 10 yds out which I believe will be important to you.
SWFA SS 6x42 Tactical Riflescope SWFA SS 6x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS6X42
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Rear Focus
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 1/4 MOA
$299.95 
Would be my fist choice as well Wes but his price limit is $200
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Originally posted by mamamia mamamia wrote:

$150-250.
 
I would get a fixed 6X scope such as 6X36 or 6X42.  Variable scopes, especially with second focal plane reticles, introduce the potential for POI shift during power change that is unacceptable in a competition scope, unless you're willing to spend a lot of money.  High magnification variables within your price range involve severe optical and mechanical compromises.  If you're limited to 6X anyway, you get better optics for your money with a fixed power than you do with a variable. 
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Just as a point of refrence this is the Leupold 6x42 with target knobs and adjustable objective. To be competitive at all you will have to have a decent scope and the ones that are lower quality than the two I am showing you wont have the adjustable parallax which is a problem for rimfire applications. Higher magnification only complecates the problem.
(actually the correct scope for what you are doing)
Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Competition Hunter Riflescope Target Dot Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Competition Hunter Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66825
  • Matte
  • Target Dot
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
$469.95 


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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

My suggestion would be the Fixed power 6x42 Super Sniper at $299.95 that way you will have target knobs.  Since you are limited to 6x anyway that one is the best suited 6x to precision shooting. Leupold makes a 6x42 Competition Hunter with target knobs also but its a couple hundred more.  The Super Sniper 6x42 will give you adjustable parallax from 10 yds out which I believe will be important to you.
SWFA SS 6x42 Tactical Riflescope SWFA SS 6x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS6X42
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Rear Focus
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 1/4 MOA
$299.95 
Would be my fist choice as well Wes but his price limit is $200
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I know he is wanting to get this done for $200 but sometimes a little reality has to fall into everyones life and if spending an additional hundred is a significant improvement it is better to tell him the hard truth.
 
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Very true Wes, very true.
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Thanks for the suggestions. Sorry I forgot to add that i wanted a Varialble scope since I would like to stretch it to 100yards in the range. 
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Just as a point of refrence this is the Leupold 6x42 with target knobs and adjustable objective. To be competitive at all you will have to have a decent scope and the ones that are lower quality than the two I am showing you wont have the adjustable parallax which is a problem for rimfire applications. Higher magnification only complecates the problem.
(actually the correct scope for what you are doing)
Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Competition Hunter Riflescope Target Dot Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Competition Hunter Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66825
  • Matte
  • Target Dot
  • 1"
  • Adjustable Objective
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
$469.95 
 
That scope is the gold standard for 6X competition.  I started to recommend it, but it's well above the OP's budget.  On the other hand, it's perfect for the stated application, since that's precisely what it was designed for.
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Originally posted by mamamia mamamia wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions. Sorry I forgot to add that i wanted a Varialble scope since I would like to stretch it to 100yards in the range. 
6X is more than enough at 100yds with a 22.  This target below was shot with a CZ 452 trainer dialed to 5x at 100yds.  The square is 1.5"x1.5" i believe.  This is after about 1000 other rounds when down range and I was pretty tired, off a cheap rest and a cheap scope to boot


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I had  a Simmons 22mag 3-9x on my Ruger and I had to keep it dialed in at 9x to spot target clearly at 50yds. Even at 9X it was useless at 100yds. So I was under impression that I would need more magnification to shoot 100yrds.

What is your opinion about Weaver V24, even if I sink $330 is it worth? I'm reading that the scope is hit or miss, and gets blurry at higher magnification (My Simmons did at 9X). Does the scope holds the value well incase if I want to sell it later? is there any sale event on horizon where I can get it for few dollars less?
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Also what does a side focus do? Is it a must have on 22 LR guns? 
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Side focus/AO, same basic thing
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Shooting at 100yds and spotting hits at 100yds are two entirely different things.

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I know this completely blows your budget but if you are going to be shooting competition at 50yds and occasionally going to 100yds for fun but want to determine where your hits are I would take the advice of all above and go with the SS Fixed 6X and add this to your gear bag for scoring hits.

http://www.samplelist.com/Bushnell-12-36x50-Legend-Ultra-HD-Spotting-Scope-DEMO-B-P2401.aspx

As SVT said - shooting at 100yds and scoring your hits are 2 different things. The 6X SS is more than adequate for 100yd shooting. High magnification on a low quality scope just makes the fuzzy things appear bigger not clearer. I have generally found that when most people think they want higher magnification what they are really looking for is greater clarity.
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What is your opinion about Weaver V24, even if I sink $330 is it worth? I'm reading that the scope is hit or miss, and gets blurry at higher magnification (My Simmons did at 9X). Does the scope holds the value well incase if I want to sell it later? is there any sale event on horizon where I can get it for few dollars less?

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I wouldn't get it, better out there.  If you step up to that price range there are better choices for what your trying to do.  I'm not a big weaver fan but hey do have a large rimfire following.  I think you may need to start off with something like the $99 vortex special and then decide if you really want that high of magnification.  I bet you'll leave it on 6X more than you think. 



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Originally posted by mamamia mamamia wrote:

I had  a Simmons 22mag 3-9x on my Ruger and I had to keep it dialed in at 9x to spot target clearly at 50yds. Even at 9X it was useless at 100yds. So I was under impression that I would need more magnification to shoot 100yrds.

 is there any sale event on horizon where I can get it for few dollars less?


With a less expensive scope you are not going to be able to see very well. I use a Leupold 3-9x33 EFR on my Volquartsen 22LR and have not had any problems seeing out to 200yds with it.

If the rules limit you to a 6x I would definitely go with the SS6x. When shooting at 50yds and then going to 100yds you will need to correct for the bullet drop which is a lot. So you will need good mechanicals to dial in correction. This is one area where the SS scopes excel and compare with scope costing many times more.

If you really feel you must have more magnification. Then the Vortex Crossfire 6-24 is a good scope glass wise for what you will pay for it. I have looked through one and was pleasantly surprised by it. but I can not attest to how good the mechanicals are though.

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