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I owe Remington Arms a big apology, a while ago I purchased a Remington CDL SF with the new X-mark Pro trigger. When I took it to my long time smith and asked him to lighten it up a bit he refused saying that the X-Mark Pro was junk and the epoxy Remington used virtually welded everything together making adjustment impossible, he recommended a Rifle Basix which I had him install for more than a few bucks. I remember discussing my disappointment with the new Remington trigger with many including folks at this forum.
Speed up to today, I bought a 700 SPS SS in 223 Rem a few weeks ago at www.gunsamerica.com and when I went to my FFL guy who is also a gunsmith to pick her up I told him of my disappointment with the new trigger. He looked at me and said are you kidding, it's a pretty good trigger. I said if you think so go ahead and take a whack at it. I told him it would be a bean field rifle so try for a couple pound pull weight. Well today I got the call and low and behold for $30.00 I got a very crisp trigger breaking like glass at 2.3 lbs, I'm a happy camper!
So to all the good folks at Remington Arms, my apologies for erroneously bad mouthing an excellent product and to my old former gunsmith, you won't be seeing me again! 
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Good info Sam, as they say "opinions vary".
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Takes real class to do what you just did SamC.  Excellent  Thanks for the info on the trigger.
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 the first generation xmark pro (which i have one) was pretty near impossible to work with. the epoxy remington put on the sear engagement screw was nasty. i had to send mine to a fellow ot member to get it fixed. thanks for fixing it for me buddy!! now i will say that in its current state i find it to be a fine trigger. maybe not as handy as the current xmark version, but still a very serviceable trigger.




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I've taken both the old originals and new xmark pro apart.  The xmark pro is a better trigger IMO and usually lightens up easily with one screw.  The level of polish and design of geometry is better and safer on the xmark pro IMO.
 
I have no experience on the new externally adjustable xmark pro but I did see on picture of one broken right where the adjustment screw goes through the shoe.
 
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong Sam.  Glad you got a good trigger out of it.
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Sam, rifles or triggers in this case, are not that much unlike humans with an illness. Finding a good doctor (gunsmith) is the key to speedy recovery. Unfortunately, there are lots of smiths out there that don't know what their doing or want to make a few dollars more off the sale of a new trigger.

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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Sam, rifles or triggers in this case, are not that much unlike humans with an illness. Finding a good doctor (gunsmith) is the key to speedy recovery. Unfortunately, there are lots of smiths out there that don't know what their doing or want to make a few dollars more off the sale of a new trigger.
Amen!
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It is to bad when Remington redesigned the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation triggers that they are unable to design a safe trigger WITH a bolt locking feature either in a two position or a 3 position safety like most other normal hunting rifles. For those of us that actually find ourselves walking through thick brush during hunting season. It gets annoying having brush catch on a 700 bolt handle and unloading the rifle dumping the round on the ground.
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Originally posted by Runningman Runningman wrote:

It is to bad when Remington redesigned the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation triggers that they are unable to design a safe trigger WITH a bolt locking feature either in a two position or a 3 position safety like most other normal hunting rifles. For those of us that actually find ourselves walking through thick brush during hunting season. It gets annoying having brush catch on a 700 bolt handle and unloading the rifle dumping the round on the ground.
 
I've heard that complaint a lot about 700's.  I must be lucky cause I've never even come close to having that happen.  I grew up in central Wi hunting redbrush we had to walk backwards through just to pass.  I'm sure they've popped open for folks but never me or anyone I've hunted with.  There are things I'd change about 700's but that isn't one.  Actually when I'm holding the rifle my knuckles stick out as far as the bolt handle.  If I jamb the rifle in somewhere hard enough to open up I'm gonna have sore digits.
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If it hasn't happened to you yet, it probably will someday, if you hunt long enough.
 
Locking bolts are must-have features on my hunting rifles ever since my lost split-second opportunity at a trophy many years ago because of a partially opened bolt.
 
They do require a bit more caution when loading/unloading, though unless they are the three-position type.
 
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Originally posted by Runningman Runningman wrote:

It is to bad when Remington redesigned the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation triggers that they are unable to design a safe trigger WITH a bolt locking feature either in a two position or a 3 position safety like most other normal hunting rifles. For those of us that actually find ourselves walking through thick brush during hunting season. It gets annoying having brush catch on a 700 bolt handle and unloading the rifle dumping the round on the ground.
That's why God gave us the Model 70Big Grin
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...And in those days the people did evil in the sight of the Lord, and He did smite Winchester Repeating Arms Co, in fire and brimstone, and it is no more...
 
 And the Remington (Cerebrus) people rejoiced...
 
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Laugh Good one Ronk!
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Well said Ronk...but I still like Mod 70's better.  Excellent
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 I like both of them a lot.
Great guns.
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Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

Well said Ronk...but I still like Mod 70's better.  Excellent
I do too but they don't make them anymore. The new ones have a different trigger and I'm not sure if I like that or not. IMHO, the old simpler trigger along with CRF is what made the old model 70's so reliable Although I haven't closed the door on buying the new version I wish they would have kept the original trigger.
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 
...And in those days the people did evil in the sight of the Lord, and He did smite Winchester Repeating Arms Co, in fire and brimstone, and it is no more...
 
 And the Remington (Cerebrus) people rejoiced...
 
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Amen!!  Excellent
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

 the first generation xmark pro (which i have one) was pretty near impossible to work with. the epoxy remington put on the sear engagement screw was nasty. i had to send mine to a fellow ot member to get it fixed. thanks for fixing it for me buddy!! now i will say that in its current state i find it to be a fine trigger. maybe not as handy as the current xmark version, but still a very serviceable trigger.


 
Glad it worked out for you..
 
 
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I'm not sure how my gunsmith dealt with that nasty epoxy or if Remington has since changed brands but my buddy (not a gunsmith) says in general that a hot soldering iron usually works as long as you turn the screw while it's hot. I never tried that but it sounds somewhat logical. All I know is that for $30.00 I got a great hunting trigger, as I said before I'm a happy camperYippee
Sam
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