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Unless you need a shorter than normal rifle, I see no need.  Then again, I see no need for magnums in N.America.

 

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If I want something with more pop than the stuff I typically shoot (280Rem, 308Win, 8mm Mauser, 7.63x54R, etc), it will also be a bigger bullet.

I never figured out the need for a 7mm or 30 cal bullet that goes 10% faster and kicks you 30% harder.  Then again, what do I really know about rifles?  I am more of an optics guy.

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Personally, I don't really see a need. If I need a magnum then I would just go get a full size magnum I can't see a reasons as to why I'd personally need a short rifle. Plus, some of the full size magnums are much more common then their short mag counter parts which means for the full size its easier to find ammo for.

 

Cool Idea I guess but no real benefit over a standard magnum.

 

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okay guys this is where you take a back seat lesson from me for once!!! in theory a short and fat powder colum burns more consistantly, which in turn improves accuracy, the old 284 winchester was well ahead of its time, as it was some what designed the same way as today's short mag, but it died most likely because it wasnt called a magnum, are they worth it you bet they shoot better in speed and energy and with less powder than there long action counter-parts, so no its not a scam its really science
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Excellent marketing strategy.  Introduce something new, emphasize the potential benefits, try to make us dissatisfied with what we have so we will buy the new product.  But hey, profits/sales are what keep companies in business.

 

I have no problem really with the new short magnums.  Anything that keeps people interested in guns, gear, and hunting is a good thing, but I won't be buying one anytime soon. My 30.06 does everything I could ask of it; ammo is available everwhere and on any given day it is capable of shooting with a higher degree of accuracy than I am capable of in most real hunting situations.  If I was a young guy starting out could see the appeal & might buy one. Fun to have new toys!

 

Great time to be a gun nut - so many choices out there.

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270 wsm has been devastaing on deer/hogs. Complete penetration so far and light recoil.
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I voted that one day I might give one a try.  However, I'm not looking to sell what I have now just to get one.  I think the only calibers that interest me are the 270WSM & 300WSM.  If I ever have the need to shoot a bear I may consider a 325WSM but the chances of ever going on such a hunt are so remote I'd be better off trying do decide what color Ferrari I'll be buying in 2007.

 

They really don't do anything "better" than many of the well established cartridges.  They are just a different way of accomplishing the same task.  Different strokes for different folks...

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pyro's right about the technology.  A short fat pwder column is the msot efficient and improves accuracy, in some guns some of the time.  That being said, the WSM's are not target calibers, like the PPC's (the WSSM's look like PPC's). 

 

None of them offer anything really new, other than the short case.  I bought a 270 WSM and sold it; didn't offer that much over my old 270 and didn't feed nearly as well.  I bought a 300 WSM, too.  It was a Kimber 8400; gorgeous rifle but too much recoil for me.  I could load it down to 30-06 levels, but why not just have a 30-06.

 

An extra 200 fps is really insignificant, especially at the cost of a lot more powder (read recoil and muzzle blast).  I agree with ranburr.  Don't need a magnum, they don't feed as well as similar calibers, and don't offer anything new.

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i hate to break it to you but this "guy" you talked about with his 270, must have  had a lemon, and as far as performance, the 270 wsm is more like a 270 weatherby than 270 win, so if you think your 270 can compete with a wsm your on glue they arent even close in performance, the wsm is faster flatter and hits harder sorry thats fact, now i do agree the 223 wssm isnt really worth it but thats another story. my 300 wsm will shot very close to 1/2moa with factory ammo and here pretty quick i am going to fire up my rock chucker and see if it will push inside of 1/2 moa

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I bought a 270WSM and it shot fine, but velocity was not significantly improved over my old .270 and it didn't feed nearly as smoothly.  Yeah, you might get 150-200fps more but that's not significant ( 2" difference at 300yds; you and I can't shoot that good).  The short, fat powder column does improve accuracy slightly, but these are not target cartriges.  Bottom line, the WSM's are fine, but they don't offer anything new, and in some ways are inferior.  I don't need one.
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R & D has to come up with new stuff, whether it is necessary or not.  I'll stick with .30-06 & .308's. 

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My Browning A-bolt in 25 wssm shoots best with 120 gr Winchester's, it will shoot consistantly .75" groups at 100 yards.  The only reason I bought it was because my friend needed money, and at $300 it was a good deal.  New it sold for $700.  It cracks me up to look at the cartridge because it so much smaller than a 25-06 but ballistically the same.  The only downfall I see to it is, because of the fat case the clip only holds 3 rounds.



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In comparing the 30 cal rifles I have  .308   30-06  300WM  and 300WSM.  The muzzle blast from the 300WSM is ferocious, it is quite accurate, but the loading data is not as flexable as the other three. It seems that the 300WSM is designed for a 180 grain bullet. All three of the others are more flexable. 

30-06 is the most flexibility in load data for many bullet weights.  New offerings in factory ammo run some .308 cartridges into the same performance range as the 30-06, but the 30-06 can still be loaded with much heavier bullets than a .308  . The 300 WM still seems to offer more than the 300WSM in that it performs well out past 1000 yds with the 190 grain SMK and you can get ammo world wide,  not as easily as .308 but it's been around long enough to find ammo many places that you likely would not find ammo for a 300WSM.  Ammo cost should also be a consideration as .308 and 30-06 ammo are much less expensive and if there isn't a true reason to make the jump to the magnums I would recommend against it. The one valid reason to jump up to the magnums is to keep the velocity above the speed of sound at 1000 yds as bullets tend to be more stable above the speed of sound, but not just everyone has a rifle that will do 1000 yd +  work. As for ease of reloading any of these seem to do well. One thing to note is that the extractor fit on a 300WSM is important and my Win Model 70 Coyote lite had to take a trip back to the factory to have the extractor fixed. Think I would rather have a SAKO extractor as this is a very large diameter case.

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in some case i can agree that the 300's are not flexible, but i have a special case, my 300 wm likes 180 gr bullets but i have also found through trial and error that its also a very capable varmint rifle, when i loaded a 125 grain bullet in it  i found the accuracy to be impressive so the next test was to shoot a coyote with it my partners were like dude your gonna blow the dog in half with that cannon and i had the same thoughts but at 300 yds .308 hole going in and .308 hole coming out!
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Here are my observations:Noticed Improved accuracy to the standard magnums.Noticed reduced felt recoil to the standard magnums. Fast,flat,and smooth shooting. Cases are fatter so in alot of rifles you can only fit 3 rounds.

Short stroke and feed in a Pre 64 style M70 is fast and very reliable,I use a williams claw extractor(factory claw extractor worked fine but was made with inferior steel,wont take a chance). Drawbacks:price,availability,some will not like the limited grain load selection with some of the short mags. Opinion:Worth buying but only the origanal WSM's not the copycat knock offs(remmington comes to mind), well desighned cartriges for shure.

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the remington was a waste of development money, its 8-10% smaller than the wsm. imo remington should have stayed with the ultra's and just waited to chamber the wsm's in there own rifles later.i have wsm in an abolt and a wssm in a m70 and i dont have any issues with either action acting funky
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the remington was a waste of development money, its 8-10% smaller than the wsm. imo remington should have stayed with the ultra's and just waited to chamber the wsm's in there own rifles later.i have wsm in an abolt and a wssm in a m70 and i dont have any issues with either action acting funky

 

I definetly agree and would like to add that when a great inovation comes along there is always somebody(rem in this case) trying to take a piece of the pie but the lack in performance is clear.

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One thing to keep in mind with the WSMs is that if you ever have a rifle originally chambered for a .308 cartridge family (.243, .260, 7-08, .308 etc.) short action rebarreled to a WSM round, you will probably have feeding problems, unless you or your gunsmith knows how to address the magazine rail and possibly feed ramp modifications.  The short fat case is just a little more fussy to get to feed properly than a longer, skinnier cased round.  This applies to custom barreled rifles converted from standard short actions only, not new rifles originally chambered in one of the short mags.

 

I have a rifle chambered for 7mm WSM, and I really like it.  like the WSM rounds overall, but they're a little controversial among some hardcore shooters due to the feeding problems in some actions, early reports of overly thick brass, reduced magazine capacity, loss of efficiency when using the heaviest bullets within a given caliber, and questionable performance advantage over their full-length magnum cousins.  If they're chambered in a good rifle and if you use good ammo or you handload, the short, fat case concept does provide potentially better accuracy.  I personally don't care for the WSSM cases though; I think they are a little too stubby, and therefore are difficult to adapt to actions not originally designed around the cases because of the feeding issues.

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I have had a 243 in the past and I now have a 243 WSM, no comparison the WSM is far superior in every catagory

 

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Originally posted by Duce Duce wrote:

I have had a 243 in the past and I now have a 243 WSM, no comparison the WSM is far superior in every catagory

 

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.243 wssm screams!!

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Look at the long shots on http://www.richardscustomrifles.com/favoritevarmintrifles.ht m  with a 200 WSM

on the above sights, could you push a 300 win mag 4200 fps? or hit ground hogs at 600 or 700 yards without a flat shooting load?

 

 

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according to lee's #2 manual you can push a 110 bullet out of the 300 wsm at 3700 fps, i know i could get my hands on some 90 grain bullets but i dont know if they would quite hit the 4200 mark, and actually yes i know people who use the 300 wsm for killing badger at 600 plus yds
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I will build a 300wsm or the7mmwsm one day.i have shot each cal.
i worked up the loads for the man that has each weapons.
i loaded 150's sierra mk and 168 mk in the 7mm,the 300wsm i have only
tryed the 168 mk.both shoot 1/2 groups easy, thay are custom built
with a 5.5 contor tube.and compaired to the recoil on a 300 wm
mod. 70 that i had ,the 300wsm is does not kick as hard.i can put
more rounds down range. i love the 7mmwsm mild recoil i have not
had any problem feeding with the 300 or 7mm.but thay are not factory
rifles .i have a very good 308,a 220 swift that is custom,25-06
260 rem,and eather one will do the job on anything up to mule deer.
it's kinda like haveing that fast car,that will out run daylight,
you don't need it you just got to have it if you are
hunting elk,or any thing larger than white tail,mule deer,you should have
something with more punch,wheather it close range long range. but i am
not a ultra mag. fan.
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