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    Posted: September/13/2010 at 05:25
I originally bought a Leupold L/R scope with target turrets and a varmint reticule. This arrangement has worked for me untill now.
Lately I have gravitated towards dialling elevation, rather then using the varmint reticule. This has lead to more precise aiming and confidence on shot placement for me.
 
I am now considering having tactical turrets fitted ($130) and Mil TMR reticule ( $160 ).
 
This seems to be my cheapest way out.
 
New Leupold Mk4 TMR $2300
Modification $290
 
Would the new MOA turrets be marked in MOA?
Yes, it would have to be MOA turrets and Mil reticule as I do not think Leupold does Mil/Mil???
 
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The new M5 turrets from Leupold are .1mil adjustments. I know that they are out now, finally. But I do not know if they are available for retro-fit on existing scopes. I agree with the choice of reticule. Are you looking for lower profile knobs? And yes the knobs are marked in MOA.  
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I would look at it two ways 8's.  How long would it take to send off from Africa and get back and how much of a hassle would it be to get through customs? VS Just buying a new scope with the features you want?
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I would look at it two ways 8's.  How long would it take to send off from Africa and get back and how much of a hassle would it be to get through customs? VS Just buying a new scope with the features you want?
 
If I time it right, just when a bulk shippment is leaving SA, it would be about a 2 month turn around. We get quite with shooting after Oct, so the time is no big deal.
through our local Leupold agents the shipping in and out is no hassle.
So the hassle factor is nil.
 
My big question/concern is how good is the conversion?
 
Nice to know the mil turrets may be and option. I have spoken to our local agents and they say Leupold can do the MOA turrets and MRT reticule.
I have e-mailed Leupold also for some info.
 
I am not to concerned about lower turrets, more just looking for the benefits of tactical turrets.
 
Thanks so far.
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then i would do the conversion and go from there. IF you dont like it I'm sure you could sell it to another shooter there and recoupe plenty being it would be a custom.  Then just order a new on like you want it. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WestOfPecos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/13/2010 at 08:07
I just talked to Leupold abt some similar retrofit issues - I was told the the new M5 turrets are not interchangeable with the others. So I am not sure that you would be able to get Mil turrets, as some are suggesting - would be nice though:-)

I liked the TMR reticle well enough that I am looking at putting it on a VX3. I don't know if you have tried it: it works well for me in good light, but at dusk/dawn it is hard to put on a target. If you use it in low light you might want to consider getting an *illuminated* TMR (another $220 I think). Of course if it is all good light/ light target use then there is no need:-) Good luck!
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I had a look through a Mark IV yesterday with the M5 turrets. It was decent and the turrets had a nice feel to them, but the mag. range wasn't impressive. For the same price I'd get an IOR if it was available.
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jono, I am specifically looking at the modification as it will only set me back $290.
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Sorry, I misread your O.P. and thought it was a choice between the two - new or retrofit. I'm doing the latter right now. I don't see where Leupold offers the conversion to mil turrets and wonder if that's because it's so new. I wouldn't want a mismatched setup so if they don't I'd stay with a MOA-based reticle.
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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

I originally bought a Leupold L/R scope with target turrets and a varmint reticule. This arrangement has worked for me untill now.
Lately I have gravitated towards dialling elevation, rather then using the varmint reticule. This has lead to more precise aiming and confidence on shot placement for me.
 
I am now considering having tactical turrets fitted ($130) and Mil TMR reticule ( $160 ).
 
This seems to be my cheapest way out.
 
New Leupold Mk4 TMR $2300
Modification $290
 
Would the new MOA turrets be marked in MOA?
Yes, it would have to be MOA turrets and Mil reticule as I do not think Leupold does Mil/Mil???
 
Any comments appreciated.
 
Out of courisoty; since you have the target turrets anyway, why not just turn them (unless you just want a completly differnt set up)?  I have a Leupold target scope and that's what I do, works for me.  I also have a Zeiss with a varmint reticle and target turrets.  It allows me to hold over or twist knobs, the best of both worlds. 
 
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To put all the pieces together:
I shoot in a tactical type comps where we engage targets of known size. (8 Inches), but we have to estimate the distance. No range finders.
This is the reason for wanting to go to the TMR reticule. The TMR has fine hash marks as opposed to the larger MOA dots. (8 inch targets are small out to 400 yds!!!)
I feel I would be able to range better with the TMR reticule then my current varmint reticule.
Secondly, seeing I would be sending the scope in for a reticule change, I may as well get the tacticool turrets and look cool!! I feel the tactical knobs and MOA markings may just be better then my current target dials with dust covers that I am going to lose sooner rather then later.
 
So my question really hinges on wether Leupold mod is good, or will I be stuffing up a good scope??
 
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How far will you shoot with this set-up?
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The general shooting in comps are out to 400yds. So with a 308 it is critical to be within 50 yds at max distance. Sounds easy, untill you face it with dead ground, uphill and the like.
 
8 inches can be small. I got it a bit wrong this past week end. Shot at 220 yds instead of 260 and missed 4 out of 5. On the 5th I dialed in more elevation and got it. Then the wind also blows, so one is not sure if the miss was windage or elevation!!
 
On the next stage we had gongs out to 200, 250, 300 400 and 350 yds. or that is how I shot them and got all 5. So it comes back distance estimation.
Shooting positions vary. The first one was sitting using the trunk of a tree as support. The longer one was lying on a pile of small rocks. We have 6 stages with 5 shots on each stage.
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Holland Shooting Supply makes a turret for the Mark 4's that is in .2 Mil increments.
http://www.hollandguns.com/
Then click on "Advanced Reticle Technology" and scroll down and you will see them.
I also have one scope that has the TMR Reticle.
The other multi-dash reticles I use is the ART.
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Thanks for the heads up will take a look.
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Originally posted by Ernie Bishop Ernie Bishop wrote:

Holland Shooting Supply makes a turret for the Mark 4's that is in .2 Mil increments.
http://www.hollandguns.com/
Then click on "Advanced Reticle Technology" and scroll down and you will see them.
I also have one scope that has the TMR Reticle.
The other multi-dash reticles I use is the ART.


If the scope internals are built to 1/4 MOA then having turrets marked with mils would really mess it up.  He has to get turrets that are marked the same as his internals are built.  Otherwise it won't work properly.

My opinion, I would get the changes you want.  Having a reticle with half mil marks makes a huge difference in being accurate with your ranging.  The Leupold custom shop will do good work, that is one thing they are very good at. 
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Believe it or not, it is extremely accurate to the distances you are shooting.
Holland's did this because Leupold at that time did not have a MIL/MIL set up.
Leupold's turrets run .250" per click.  3 clicks = .750" and 2/10 of a MIL is .72"
At the distances you are running (and further) you will not be able to tell the difference.
Hope this helps explain things a little better.
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For the money, I think it would make a great scope. I like the setup. The investment is not that much to improve (for your use) the scope you already have. 

I like that setup for the competition. 
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Thanks for all the responses. The scope will be going in at mid Oct when the next batch leaves SA.
I will go for the TMR reticule. See new thread for turrets choice.
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