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For those of you who are interested.

I grabbed a box of .308 WOLF-150gr fmj ammunition the last time I was at SportsmansWarehouse

I think it was $4.99 a box for 20rnds. I finally got a chance to test it the other day and I was surprised at its performance @100 yds. My 308 has a 26” barrel with a 1-12” twist, just something to consider.

 

This is 10 shots @100yds.

The recoil was noticeable lighter with the Wolf ammo and after I was done at 100yds it only took 6 shots to get on the 600yd gong with 13 MOA of elevation. I realize that 2” is not great but it might make for some cheap plinking ammo.

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Hello Sniper6

 

I have a concern with this ammo in precision rifles,

it has a Steel case and very heavy laquer coating

also there have been several of reports including one

that I observed of a round not going off. The inexpensive

.308 round that I have seen very good performance with

is the 147 fmjbt argentine, there are alot of good reports

from this surplus ammo. The price of these two ammo is

very similar and you get the brass case with the argentine.

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Sniper6, Bro I HATE Wolf ammo!!!

 

I refuse to shoot it in a 5.56mm AR even. 

It's hard on it's gas systems and may make a AR short stroke at an "inopportune" time. 

FILTHY, under powered ammo, IMO.

 

No way that ammo goes in one of my weapons.

 

No offense to you, Sniper.

I appreciate your commentary here on The OT, but we have to agree to disagree about the Wolf ammo, Bro.

 

Respectfully, cheaptrick.

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cheaptrick ______SVD666
 
Both of you have expressed legitimate concerns with this ammo that I did not see with only 20 rounds in my bolt gun.

Although I thought its accuracy performance was good for the price I have not used it as like either of you and I have not seen the problems that you have. I appreciate the comments and this will save me from wasting my money on any more of the stuff.

I use hand loaded 168gr Amax ammo my 308 and probably always will , I just thought this might make some cheap plinking ammo for people who cant spend the kind of money some of us do on shooting but it sounds, based on what you guys are telling me ,this is not good to be recommending to anyone.

Thank you for the warning.

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Cool, Sniper6 how much did you pay for your XOTIC when they first came out.

I was curious as to the price of that fine scope.

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I do not entirely agree with your take on Wolf ammo gentlemen.

First of all, on lacquer coating on the cases: Wolf has recently changed to polymer coating that does not leave that residue in the chamer that SVD666 is talking about.  The line they call "Millitary Classic" still has the green lacquer, but other Wolf ammo does not.  Polymer-coated cases are grey in color.

I've seen various claims that steel used in the cases/jacket causes excessive wear of the chamber/barrel.  That's an urban legend, plain and simple.  Mild steel used in that ammo is not any harder than typical copper used in western ammo.  On top of it, it is polymer coated: no abrasive contact between chamber and steel case.

A lot of ARs do not like Wolf ammo, but then again quite a few work fine with it.  It is dirtier than western commercial ammo, but that's the tradeoff for low price, I suppose.  I would not use Wolf ammo in an AR, personally, seems it has a reputation for being finicky.

Of course that is mostly a factor in gas guns.  In bolt guns, I do not see it making a huge difference.  This is plinking ammo anyway.  Then again, I clean my guns every tme I go shooting.  And any way, it is only an issue with AR gas system.  Eastern block weapons do not have that problem.

SVD666, if you use 7N1 ammo in your SVD, it is made right alongside various Wolf ammo in Russia. 

As for an occasional misfire, I do not think I've ever had a misfire with Wolf ammo, but I am sure it can happen occasionally.   Some Wolf ammo uses miltary primers which are harder than commercial primers.  Anyway, this is plinking ammo, I do not care if there is a misfire once in a blue moon.

Also, Wolf Gold ammo is brass-cased and reloadable and made by Privi Partisan in Yugoslavia.  It is more expensive than Russian made stuff, but still cheaper than western commercial ammo.

Wolf ammo I use with reasonable regularity:
7.62x54R 148gr
7.62x54R 200gr
7.62x54R 150gr Gold
7.62x54R 180gr SP Gold
7.62x39 123gr FMJ
8mm Mauser 196gr Gold
303British 174gr Gold
7.5x55 174gr Gold

45ACP
9mm

I've used their 308Win, but not as much as other calibers.

ILya

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You make a good case in favor of the wolf ammo and that is starting to make me rethink on doing further testing with my bolt gun at ranges in the 100 to 600 yd area.

I don’t doubt that the accuracy is what I would call OK but this time I could look for how fast and how dirty the barrel gets , note the condition of the cases and primers after being fired, chronograph them and check to see if there is any strange build up of any kind in the chamber.

 

By the way this is my other groups with 168gr Amax @ 100yds. they were shot the same day as the wolf.

Not bad for a gun with over 6500 rounds through it.

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Nice shooting.

I would not worry about shooting Wolf a whole lot.  It is not loaded very hot, so primers, etc. would not be an issue.  As far as dirt in the bore goes, I generally swab the bore a couple of times when I put the rifle down to cool a little after along string.  That removes any extra dirt from the bore.  If there is any build up in the chamber it is easy to clean on a bolt gun.  Again, run a brush through once or twice while the barrel is still hot.

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Hello Koshkin

 

I tried 7N1 in a Romak-3, there is no way I would try it in a real Sniper Grade rifle please refer back to the info posted in the POSP M6D post, the cheapest thing I have shot in a SVD is S&B 7.62x54 174 match. In my .308 SVD there is no need to shoot cheap ammo, I feel it is a waste of time for practice. Wolf ammo in my opinion is not acceptable, I do not recommended it in a precision rifle. Wolf gold sounds more acceptable but I do not have

any expierience with this ammo. I am glad to hear Wolf got rid of that coating they use to use. My shooting time is precious I do not get as much time to shoot as other people due to my loaction and work, when I do get to shoot I like to remove as much error so that ony I am to blame.

 

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I have problems caused by Wolf ammo.  The Gold stuff is not bad.  Steer clear of anything else.  It is made to function in weapons made to very loose tolerances.  It is not made to fire in ARs, tight 1911s, or precision rifles.

 

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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

In my .308 SVD there is no need to shoot cheap ammo, I feel it is a waste of time for practice.

Wolf ammo in my opinion is not acceptable, I do not recommended it in a precision rifle. 

 

My shooting time is precious I do not get as much time to shoot as other people due to my location and work, when I do get to shoot I like to remove as much error so that only I am to blame.

 

 

I couldn't have said it better.

 

 

I do realize Sniper mentioned the term "plinking ammo" and not precision ammo, but there's sooooo much good factory ammo, or better yet reloading your own, why f$#k with Wolf ammo, koshkin??

Is the only reason you like it is becuase it's cheap or available or what, Bro?

 

 

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Wolf is the only ammo my MP5  won't feed.............and its really hard to clean up your brass with the cases being painted green.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

In my .308 SVD there is no need to shoot cheap ammo, I feel it is a waste of time for practice.

Wolf ammo in my opinion is not acceptable, I do not recommended it in a precision rifle. 

 

My shooting time is precious I do not get as much time to shoot as other people due to my location and work, when I do get to shoot I like to remove as much error so that only I am to blame.

 

 

I couldn't have said it better.

 

 

I do realize Sniper mentioned the term "plinking ammo" and not precision ammo, but there's sooooo much good factory ammo, or better yet reloading your own, why f$#k with Wolf ammo, koshkin??

Is the only reason you like it is becuase it's cheap or available or what, Bro?

 

 



By and large the amount of time I spend reloading is worth more than buying factory ammo, so I reload only when I am trying to find a proper load for a rifle.  I will not reload plinking ammo.  That would be some pretty damn expensive plinking.

I try to practice shooting from various unsupported positions whenever I make it out to the range.  In case I have not mentioned it earlier, I am not a really good shot anyhow and from unsupported positions I am pretty aweful.  It does not make a jack of a difference if the ammo I am shooting is capable of half MOA or 3MOA.  I still suck at this.

I like fiddling with scopes (as you may have noticed).  Doing a lot of sighting in with cheap ammo saves money.

I shoot a lot of old military rifles with open sights where even if the rifle is accurate, I am not (did I mention I suck at this?).  Cheap ammo works great for that.

Now, Wolf Gold line-up is made by Privi Partisan in Serbia.  It is brass cased and boxer primed and runs $8 to $12 per box.  It is actually pretty decent stuff.

All of Wolf's 7.62x54R ammo is made with brass cases, whether russian or serbian.  Russian stuff is berdan-primed though (not that I care, when I reload for this caliber, I use Lapua cases). 

Wolf "Extra" 7.62x54R, which is a bit more expensive, is the most accurate factory load for this caliber I've ever fired.  200gr bullet at ~2550fps and it was used to win the 300meter competiion at some military games a few years back.  In Finnish M39s, it is more accurate than Sellier-Belot Match loads.  I am generally a little worried about S&B loads since they blew up one of my rifles a few years back.

7.62x39:  here in Commiefornia you can only have SKSs.  A couple of SKSs I have, shoot better with Wolf than with any other 7.62x39 ammo I've tried.

Other rifle ammo I use primarily Wolf Gold stuff which is pretty good.

Pistol Ammo:  It is substantially cheaper than other stuff out there.  When I practice, I fire a lot of rounds.  I've never had a misfire in Sig P220 (45ACP) and CZ 75 (9mm) that I've been practicing with lately.

ILya
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I don't have a lot of experience with Wolf ammo (or any factory loads for that matter) since I reload 90+% of everything I shoot.  (I also don't very often shoot calibers for which Wolf makes ammo - having long ago rid myself of any and all "tactical" styled weapons [read any centerfire semi-autos.])  However, what little experience I have had has always been reasonably positive.  I have never experienced any failures to feed, fire, and/or function when shooting this ammo.

 

Were I to ever buy another semi-auto handgun, I would not hesitate to try this ammo for plinking and or cheap practice.  I wouldn't rely on it as self-defense ammo but, for just making the gun go BANG, its O.K.

 

 

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