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There's a lot of mention here of wire vs. etched reticles.  Does anybody really know who's actually still using wire?  I get the impression from reading that a lot of reticles are now metal deposited on a lens.  If you think about it, the complex reticles we have now can't be wire, can they?  I'm talking about Swaro TDS, Leupold B&C and Varmint, Burris Ballistic Plex and others.  That being said, what would be the advantage of etched over metal deposition?  I can't think of any.  It's not like there's two wires stretched from one side of the tube to the other like on old scopes.  I guess engineers could come up with a way to make the B&C reticle of wire, but it would be way more expensive than etching.
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My first scope was a Redfield 3-9, I believe.

It had a wire reticle and it broke. Dad took it apart and used is own 2 hairs to replace the cross hairs. True story!!

I shot that scope with Dad's "cross hairs" for years afterward. The new reticle was permanently canted, but still pretty accurate.  

(I tried to use Dad's dandruff which was visible for mil dots to range squirrels to no avail.) 

 

I have read reports where wire reticles have broken. Fairly rare, but it happens.  

Also, wire reticles have a tendancy to "glow" in certain sunlight situations IMO, which I'm not crazy about.

 

All the big name scope makers like S&B, USO, Zeiss, and even the Leupold Mark 4's, and Nikon Tactical's use etched.

They must think it's superior too......(shrug)



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Cheaptrick, I was at a Outdoor Show and talked to a Zeiss rep. who stated that the etched reticle on the Conquest " had a " slight golden glow to it in low light". He did say this after I was telling the rep how much I liked the 4200's with the FireFly. This was a company rep though. Was he uninformed or just tring to break my strangle hold on 4200 Firefly's?
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Cheaptrick, I was at a Outdoor Show and talked to a Zeiss rep. who stated that the etched reticle on the Conquest " had a " slight golden glow to it in low light". He did say this after I was telling the rep how much I liked the 4200's with the FireFly. This was a company rep though. Was he uninformed or just tring to break my strangle hold on 4200 Firefly's?

 

Roy, do you mean the Zeiss rep was inferring that the Z-Plex was sort of a illuminated reticle in low light??

If so, I never really noticed it and I shot my Conquest during every concievable light scenario I could think of.

 

Maybe I misread your post.

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What the rep ment to say is that even though our scope does not have a battery, tritium or fiber optic illuminated reticle or a firefly reticle it has the lovely ambience of a warm golden tone and as such is a much more appealing and attractive to look at your game animals through because the warm tones are color coordinated to match the color tone of game animals and warm season grasses that are so attractive late fall during hunting season.

 

Duh - yes he was trying to get you off track - what he should have done was say lets look through both and you will see that ours has better glass. 

 

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No cheaptrick, I think he was caught off guard somewhat when the  Elite/ FireFly topic came up. He was unprepared for that one in my opinion. Do you think that the 4200's compare well with the Conquest scopes given the same power ranges and objective sizes?
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

No cheaptrick, I think he was caught off guard somewhat when the  Elite/ FireFly topic came up. He was unprepared for that one in my opinion. Do you think that the 4200's compare well with the Conquest scopes given the same power ranges and objective sizes?

 

I have only actually shot a rifle with a 4200 mounted to it once.

While I thought the glass was quite good, I thought the eye relief was less than optimal. That was my only negative comment.

The rifle was a hard kicking .300 Weatherby mag. 

 

Please don't consider these comments a review. My time spent with the 4200 is rather limited, as you can see.    

 

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cheaptrick, I remember the concerns of the folks in the optics community when Bushnell started branding the B&L Elites with the Bushnell name. In Rifle Magazine, John Barsness stated the same thing. What he did say about the Bushnell Elites is that the only differed in the use of higher quality optics. I have always wondered if these scopes still wore the B&L Elite name if people would see the scopes as higher quality. You know as well as I do that people are " brand prejudice " . I would bet money the if the fine scopes still wore the B&L name they would be " viewed differently by many of us. I have to admit that I was one of those skeptics with the name change. I am no longer.

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Right on, Roy.

As I said, the eye relief was not great, but I didn't get smacked either.

I noticed it more when I watched the rifle's owner shoot it.

I'm a "stock crawler" too.

Good scope...

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Back to wire reticles... I sent an inquiry to Leupold asking what type reticles they used in the VXIII and VX L series.  I just got an answer.  Some are glass (etched), some are wire, and some are metal deposition.  It just depends on the style of reticle.
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Did they elaborate which styles were wire and which were etched?

I assume the standard duplex would be wire. 

 

It seems silly to me that they have the capacity to etch all reticles yet only do certain designs.  

Not just Leupold either, Nikon is guilty of the same thing.

 

When your top scope makers consistanly use only laser etched reticles, it must be the way to go.

If it's about production cost's, how does the Super Sniper have an etched reticle and still cost only $299.00??

 

  



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Leupold didn't elaborate on which reticles were done in which manner.  I emailed them beack and asked how the Duplex and Boone and Crockett were done and I'll post the answer.  As far as why they don't etch them all, maybe they have found that wire is better in some circumstances.  Or, maybe old habits just die hard>  I would suspect they use the most economical method possible that's durable enough to allow a lifetime warranty.
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Leupold Duplex reticles are wire,  Boone and Crockett is etched.
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Who knows which companies that mainly use etched reticles?
Companies that mainly use wire?

PS-How about the new Kahles CL?
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