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I am about to go for a Zeiss Conquest in the 6.5-20 with the Rapid Z Varmint reticle.  However I was told that the Leupold VX III 6.5-20 Long Range Target has greater windage/elevation range.  In looking up the on-line info the Zeiss says it has 45.36 inches of windage/elevation.  The Leupold site says their scope has 90 MOA.
Can anyone help with the translation and perhaps comments on the effective difference.  This scope is going to primarily be for varmint and some target.
 
Also, the salesperson at the local store said the Zeiss has one advantage in that it does a square adjustment eliminating some curvature error?
 
Again, some additional insight/feedback would be welcome!
 
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The Zeiss has 45 MOA where the Leupold has 90 MOA.  Are you actually planning on dialing in all your shots or just using the reticle for hold over?  Also what caliber are you using?  What rifle are you putting it on?  And how far is the max distance you plan on shooting?
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X = 180 Y = 90 (X+Pyro)+(Y-Pyro) = ?

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Exactly. With the Rapid-Z reticle you shouldn't need that much adjustment. If you are shooting so far that you have to dial up, You can dial up a little and use the bottom yardage mark in the scope. What caliber are you shooting?
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Although not closed on it yet I am looking at a Tikka Varmint in 22-250.

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Also....I do not think I have sufficient experience/expertise to dial in the adjustments as I have seen on some of the Nightfore scope videos.  I think I would be better off initially sighting in for some 200-250 yards and the use the reticle lines.  The reticle lines on the Zeiss seem to be better/clearer to my eyes.
Again, any/all feedback appreciated.
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If that is the case then you will not need the adjustments in the dials.  So the 45 MOA elevation adjustment vs the 90 MOA will make no difference to you.  Get the Zeiss, it will have much nicer glass and will be a better scope for you.
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You should be able to hit out to ranges further than that easily without ever touching a dial with the Rapid-Z. I would just use that out to about 500 yards.
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I have the Leupold Varmint reticule on a 308. With a 100 yd zero the very last holdover put me on target at 400yds. So with a 200 yds zero it would possibly stretch it to 500yds.
So if you intend shooting further out you will need a 300yd zero or dial in elevation.
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Thanks to all who replied.  I am leaning toward the Zeiss and will probably go with that later this week.
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That Rapid-Z should work out to 100 yard increments with 40-55 gr. bullets right around 17x. There should be no dialing until you get to 600 yards with a 200 yd zero. Or set to about 19x with 100 yd. zero and get marks at 250, 350, 450, and 550. You should be able to see even the smallest target or varmint then.

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To Trigger/Mr. 270 ...thank you for the info ...it is really helpful ..

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Which rapid z reticle the 600 the 800 or the 1000 which starts above center?
 
Here is the unknown factor as I believe the Z1000 reticle scope is a second focal plane scope.   (if its first focal plane the reticle grows from small to larger as the power is dialed up and the hold over points remain in the correct porportion)  with a second focal plane scoope that has a balistic reticle  the center X is always the true point the scope is zeroed at  lets say 200 yds, but what happens is that a second focal plane scope at maximum power using a balistic reticle allows the lines or marks to accurate represent the hold over at known distances usually  300, 400, 500, etc.  The problem comes when it starts getting dark and you have to dial the power down to around 6x to brighten up the image in the scope at that point all those BDC hold over marks become worthless and the only mark that is true is the center X.  What worries me about the Z1000 is that the center X represents something like 500 yds so at that point you have the scope zeroed with the center X representing 500 yds and that is the only true mark because you are not at max power which means you have to dial in correction plus or minus MOA from there.  There are some alternatives that one should consider.  One is a first focal plane scope like:
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Being that it is a 22-250  best used under 500 yds I would NOT buy the Z1000 I would either use the Z600 or Z800 and one can have Zeiss scopes that do not have target knobs retrofitted with target knobs and I believe Zeiss will also make tuned BDC knobs for your load like Kenton does.  I just forsee a problem with the Z1000 in low light at lower powers not that it couldnt be worked out by ordering a kenton knob and setting the zero mark for the knob at the 500 yd mark on the knob then you could dial up or down - so it is workable but you need to understand what is going on  http://www.zeiss.com/sports
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To Urimaginaryfrnd ... thank you very much for the info/tutorial.  You have introduced some new shooting/scope info to me.  The reticle I am getting, or about to get probably tomorrow, is the Rapid Z Varmint reticle which is a kind of like a combination of the Z 600 and Z 1000 reticle.  The Z 600 distances with the Z 1000 line layout ?
 
I have not had an opportunity to look at the IOR scopes.  I did look at a couple Leupold scopes, one with their Varmint reticle,  but they did not seem to have the clarity or perhaps just eye appeal to me.
 
The Zeiss has been recommended to be by two shooters from the local Varminters club who work at Sportsmans Warehouse and Cabelas.
 
And thank you for the very nice photos of the differences in knob styles.  This is all kind of new to me.
 
Thank you again very much for the tutorial  and Happy New Year !
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