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Does anyone here have experience with the Wilson Combat 2-stage AR trigger and if so what are your thoughts on this unit?
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I have the WC single stage unit. 
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Mileage varies, but I had a Wilson TTU a few years back that went full-auto on me.  As I looked around on a few forums, other shooters said they had experienced the same thing.  I avoid Wilson triggers now.

Many love them, have had no issues; I liked mine, but don't trust them any more.  And trust, once lost...
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I only had a Geissele... it was trouble free.
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

I have the WC single stage unit. 


Me too, no issues.
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My BIL was shooting my AR with WC single stage trigger.....goes F/A for about 5 rounds or so with me and my nephew standing right be side him. I've tried, tried, and tried to replicate...and it did not repeat for me. Several hound rounds went down range....nothing.  

Bill Wilson got wind of my incident, told me to send it back and he would check it out and I never did because I couldn't get it to go wonky on me. 
It's a GREAT trigger IMHO. 
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The reason I asked is because I have one of the Wilson 2-stage triggers from when they first became available that has put about 800 rounds down range through two different rifles.  I had heard rumors of full auto firing but had not experienced this until two weeks ago.  While shooting my 6.5 Grendel it went full auto.  Foruntately we were in the boonies and the remaining round count in the magazines was low so no harm done.  However, as RacidCoolaid noted, it was not confidence inspiring and I am reluctant to shoot it at my local range.  Wilson has not responded to my email so I will call tomorrow to see what they say and post a follow up when resolved.    Thanks for your input.
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Keep us advised, if you please. 
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All my ARs run Geissele triggers, and I am pleased.

I won't drag Wilson through the mud, but I don't buy from them any more, too many issues with too many items, and way too many great options on the market now.
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I hear you on that issue.  The trigger is the last Wilson Combat item I have purchased, other than 1911 magazines from a local shop, and was the third of three poor customer service experiences I have had dealing directly with them.  The G triggers were not as widely known when I bought the Wilson but would now be my hands down choice after shooting a couple a friend owns.
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I have been slowly, but surely switching all my ARs to Geissele trigger.  My 458SOCOM still has the Rock River NM, but the rest are from Geisselle: one DMR and the rest are SSA-E.

Couldn't be happier with them.

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I have 3 of the Wilson Combat single stage, all of mine were set at 3lbs from the factory.
All have a lot of use on them and the oldest is probably 6 years old.
Zero issues with any of them and they are my preferred trigger.

my $.02
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Well, suffice to say there's good reason to be concerned with the safety of these triggers. I LOVE Wilson Combat stuff in general, but this is concerning at least for me. 

CS was trying to correct my problem, but I thought I'd just stick it out and haven't had any problems since, so that's on me. I'm not entirely sure it wasn't my brother in law, but I don't know either.    
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Brothers-in-law are generally a PITA, but what could he possibly do that would make it go FA???  I guess if you really don't like him, you could turn him in to BATF.   However… they would take your rifle, too...
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Hahaha...my BIL is cool, I'm just at a loss as to why it did what it did and furthermore, why I failed to replicate his experience after trying.  
If it had happened to MOI, I'd be a little more inclined to blame JUST the trigger. At any rate, it seems there's a little more fire than smoke going on with these triggers.  

1911 Man been around lately?? Is that Bill Wilson's call sign? 
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I've got a BIL you can substitute… actually… maybe a couple… I'll testify...
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I haven't seen Bill around in awhile.

The first time it happened on me, it was a 6.8 upper shooting high pressure rounds, I figured maybe it just slapped me harder than I expected.  I took that upper off and put on a 10.5" 223 upper with a suppressor, and it did it again on that lower (never had it happen on any other lower.)  I happened to be with a guy that is a carbine instructor, he took the gun and fired, it did okay for a few rounds then burst about 5 rounds before it stopped.  The mag did not dump, but it burst 5 rounds on him.

That was it, out it came, off it went.  Wilson replaced it, told me they would look into it.  I got a new trigger, never heard a word on what went wrong, the replacement trigger was sold - with full disclosure of the prior's ills.

I was displeased with the trigger, for sure; but just as displeased that:
1.  The problem is well documented online with several users experiencing the same issue.
2.  The tech support guy acted like it must be my fault because he had never heard of this happening elsewhere.

I understand that the initial assumption has to be "the end user is stupid", else they would be replacing perfectly serviceable gear constantly; however, there are almost always ways to tell if the guy or girl knows what he/she is talking about.  In my most humble of opinions, someone who just paid $200 for a trigger should be given some benefit of any doubt.  If only some.

I shall let that be the end of my discourse on this matter, and shall not bring up my other few grievances with Wilson Combat.  I still have a few of their 1911 mags, but that's it, no other WC gear in my house. 
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It's my understanding that Bill Wilson and his wife retired from WC and is now spending his time at his ranch in NE TX, near where I grew up. He has a bunch of hunting land up there and offers pay hunts for hogs and possibly deer. It's also my understanding that he turned over operation of the company to, I believe, his son. If not his son, it was a younger relative whose last name is also Wilson.

Due to the design of AR triggers, a true single stage is technically not safe. You need a certain amount of take up in an AR trigger to ensure safety, for reasons I won't go into here, because it would take too much typing to describe. In fact, most triggers designated "single stage" are actually 2-stage triggers, it's just that the first takeup stage is short and not very perceptible, so it's called a single stage.

The reason I'm a big fan of the American Trigger Co "AR Gold" trigger is because it has a secondary intercepting sear that catches the hammer in the event the primary sear doesn't engage, making it a very safe trigger, while at the same time, a "single stage" (although I believe it's still technically a 2-stage) trigger with very short take up and the shortest reset you can get. With the intercepting sear, it's supposedly not possible for it to FA on you. I've never heard any reports of that happening with the AR Gold. I've compared it head to head with Geiselles and I believe it's a superior trigger. It certainly has a shorter reset than the Geiselles. It's set at 2.5 lbs or so, and it feels like a very good 1911 trigger. Plus, it's a self-contained unit like the WC and Timney, so you aren't constrained by the positional tolerances of the trigger pin holes in the lower assy, and therefore, it's possible to make trigger pull more consistent from unit to unit. The only disadvantage is it's pretty expensive, on par with or slightly more than a Geiselle.
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RC-I agree.  Wilson makes some great products but they don't have the customer service culture many other small companies have.  The original exchange on this trigger left me without for almost 45 days.  I wrote a letter to Ryan which got read at a staff meeting but after waiting on the phone yesterday for 6 and 9 minutes on two calls and still not getting through I am again exasperated.  Obviviously they must be concerned with the liability issue and BATFE so I expect that when I get through to someone it will be a conversation similar to yours as in they have never of this before.  I'll play the game and hopefully get my money back or a new packaged trigger I can sell and replace with a Geissele.  My shooting buddy just bought a new Wilson AR with 2-stage trigger that routinely shoots below .50 MOA with quality factory ammo.  Needless to say is worried about the full auto issue as he should be.
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Update on WC AR Trigger:  A rep from WC returned my call today and offered three options, exchange for a new trigger, full price credit at Wilson Combat or refund.  There was no surprise act or attempted denial of the issue which I appreciated.  I will decide by Monday between exchange and refund.  I've used a lot of WC products over the years with great results so I am leaning toward replacement.  If a new trigger does the same thing I know they stand behind their products and I will get a refund and move on.  Again, I appreciate everyone's input.

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Okay, my WC story... I ordered two uppers and sent them a Colt pre-ban lower to be upgraded to current standards (including single stage trigger). When I received everything back I tested the trigger and it measured around 8#'s, WTF! Make a long story short it turned out that they did not replaced the OEM trigger even though I was billed and the SOW showed that they were supposed to install one. They sent me a new trigger and I installed it myself but only after going through hoops, sending them pictures, etc.; like many companies they included the target group when I received my uppers, one would think the shooter would have caught this. There was also an issue with one of the uppers, only cosmetic, but still for the price they charge... really??

I was on the fence to buy a 1911 from WC but after this I'm seriously leaning else where. WC produces a great product but I sense the QC isn't up to the standards that many moons ago put them on the map. I'm not going to pay top dollar for more headaches and sending parts back for them correct their F-ups.

Did I mention I've had no issues with the trigger... once I actually received it. Roll Eyes


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You might check out some of the 1911s from Les Baer, Ed Brown and Dan Wesson.  Baer is hard to beat for the money if you are not super fussy about consmetics.  Baer's 1911s are all hand built, very accurate and reliable once broken in but consmetically do not stand up to some others.  Dan Wesson's shoot and function like Kimbers without all the MIM and polymer parts and the execution is meticulous with very durable ceramic finishes.  If I buy another higher end 1911 I will probably try an Ed Brown. 
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FYI
Bill is not retired but does spend moat of his tine at his ranch in northeast Texas. He is a genuine guy.
He invited me and my son up for a hunt about 6 years ago before I started a website for free and I got to know him.

I have several WC guns, 3 ARs and a Spec Ops 9 that I love and all have been 100 percent reliable.


I also have a Dan Wesson Valor that I also love, it too has been 100 % flawless with all sorts of ammo.

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