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Guys, I need some help. 

I have used my National Match SA M1A with irons until now.  Once I tried a Bushnell 'sportview"   It was soon put in the trash.   I have tried a Simmons 3x9x40  '8-Point'.  But,  with 4 inch groups at 100 yards.  I can do that with irons.  No more of these crappy $40-$60.00 bubba scopes!  However, I am really in a financial pinch.  I would like something that can take an M1A/M14's .308 beating and still hold zero!   I only have about $280.00 to play with.  I want an inexpensive, no-frills, rugged, simple, accurate, reliable, variable scope.   I do not want bells and whistles!  I am not Spec Ops.  I am not going to take said rifle to Iraq!  I just want a rugged reliable affordable [under $280.00] scope which will hold up and last and retain zero on an M1A.    

    I have been thinking about a Leupold Rifleman Scope in either 3x9x50 or 4x12x40.  Either of these is within my present budget dictates.  Will these hold up on an Match M1A?  Will they match the performance capability of this rifle out to say, 225 yards?  Which would be better for 50 year old eyes?   More light with the 50, but more magnification with the 40.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.  All help and advice is appreciated.  M.

 



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I would stay away from Leupold Rifleman, if I were you.  These are really subpar scopes for the money.

 

There are several excellent alternatives in your price range.  For right around $200 dollars you can get Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 and Sightron SII 3-9x42.  Both are a couple of orders of magnitude better than Leupold Rifleman or cheap Chinese scopes.

 

Alternatively, if you can live with a fixed magnification scope Nikon Monarch 6x42, Sightron SII 6x42 or Burris Fullfield 6x40 would work great for your M1A.

 

All of the scopes above are rugged proven designs with excellent glass for the money.  Fixed magnification scopes are probably the most trouble free designs.  You need to focus the reticle for your eyes once when you buy the scope and you never need to adjust anything again (provided you use a quality mount).

 

I would not worry too much about super large objective lenses and such.  You really do not gain anything by using a large objective lens unless you choose to go with something of pretty high magnification.

 

Make sure you get a cheekpad of some sort for proper cheekweld.  M1A is really not the best stock for shooting with a scope.

 

ILya

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Ilya, thanks for the relply.  Here is what I am looking at:  The Burris Fullfield II 3x9x40 Electro Dot illumination for under $300.00.  I like the idea of a 3x Var with an optional RD. Is this scope, in your opinion and experience rugged enough for an M1A/M4 type rifle.  I hope the scope can achieve 1-2 MOA with the RD turned off in the day time.  Thank you so very much for your time.

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All Fullfield II scopes are pretty rugged and well-built.  Electro-dot works well, although unless you plan to shoot in very low light, I am not sure you really need it.  Illuminated reticles certainly have their uses though, and it is up to you to decide if you need one.

 

As to what the scope can achieve in the accuracy department, the scope really does not achieve anything per se.  If you put it into a quality mount it will hold zero.  The rest is up to you and your rifle.  The scope is not going to make the rifle any more accurate, although it will certainly make aiming easier.

 

As a general disclaimer, every scope company (without exception) will occasionally make a lemon.  However, any quality company will replace or repair your scope if there is a problem.  I've had very good luck with Burris scopes as have many other people.  Most likely, you'll never need to use the warranty, but If by some chance you do, it is important to buy from a retaielr who will support you after the purchase.  Our host here, SWFA, has the best customer service I've seen yet in this business (in case you are wondering, I do not work for them; I am just a very satisfied customer).

 

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Originally posted by Muticus Muticus wrote:

Guys, I need some help. 

I have used my National Match SA M1A with irons until now.  Once I tried a Bushnell 'sportview"   It was soon put in the trash.   I have tried a Simmons 3x9x40  '8-Point'.  But,  with 4 inch groups at 100 yards.  I can do that with irons.  No more of these crappy $40-$60.00 bubba scopes!  However, I am really in a financial pinch.  I would like something that can take an M1A/M14's .308 beating and still hold zero!   I only have about $280.00 to play with.  I want an inexpensive, no-frills, rugged, simple, accurate, reliable, variable scope.   I do not want bells and whistles!  I am not Spec Ops.  I am not going to take said rifle to Iraq!  I just want a rugged reliable affordable [under $280.00] scope which will hold up and last and retain zero on an M1A.    

    I have been thinking about a Leupold Rifleman Scope in either 3x9x50 or 4x12x40.  Either of these is within my present budget dictates.  Will these hold up on an Match M1A?  Will they match the performance capability of this rifle out to say, 225 yards?  Which would be better for 50 year old eyes?   More light with the 50, but more magnification with the 40.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.  All help and advice is appreciated.  M.

 

 

You might look at you scope mount.  I read on an M1A / M14 site that most of the scope mounts are the problem with LAARGE ERATIC groups.  If it's not made of steel, then junk it, it wont last.

SWFA sells a good one:

ARMS #18 M21/14 Scope Mount
  • Weaver Style

Smith Enterprise makes the best according to all I have read on the M14 site:

2005

M14 See-Through Weaver Scope Mount
We found the missing box of these units upstairs. They were made in 1994.4140 Chrome Moly, Heated treated. Marked "Smith Ent. XM-21".
 
Only 41 units in stock.       &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;        $105.00+ S&H

 

There aren't 41 available.  It said 41 before I bought mine.  These are going fast since some one posted it on the M14 Forum. (if you go on the wesite look for sale and disconteniued items.  It is the last catigory listed on thier main page.

 

You ought to check out the M14 Forum and it has a wealth of knowelege as well as friendly/helpful M14 FANatics.  I seem to have lost my address bar so you would have to GOOGLE these two:

M14 Forums

Smith Enterprise Inc.

 

As for a scope I will use the Super Sniper sold exclusivly by SWFA  (That's right here)

 

Hope that helps you

 

 

BIll


 

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