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I was talking to a friend of mine the other night, About how I liked my ruger 45 and he said he liked his glock.He carries it on his side every night at work never had any problems with it and he said that he heard that they even shoot under water. They are a good gun I just don't like the safetys on them.I do think its how good the person is behind the gun that makes it shine.But do they really shoot under water. Can someone tell me if its true or false.               

 
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It would be a great thing to send in to myth busters, I will not be lending them my G23 to try it out though.  Lets think about this, mechanically the firearm would function, but with the barrel filled with water the pressure build up in the case might be a little wicked.  It might work but I would not be up to trying it myself.    
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I know that Glock makes what they call "mariner" cups for the striker on the 9mm models that are designed for reliable operation under water, but I've never read where they (or anyone else) recommends doing so.

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It should shoot once.  I can't see it cycling rounds though. 
 
The Glock demonstration is where they put the gun in a bucket of muddy water, then take it out hours/days later, clear the barrel and it will fire the entire mag....I had a friend who was at 'Glock' school where they did that.
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lets see after shooting the shootee could see the bullet coming and move, and of course as water transmits sound better the noise would be deafening--- thats probably the deal there---- deafen the bad guy. any gun will shoot under water if the hammer/striker/firing pin has enough poop, wouldn't the question be more meaningful if one ask what were the consequences.

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it does not have to be a glock/block to be able to shoot under water, it is mostly the ammo being water tight. and you pretty much cant shoot people under water anyway.the bullet only goes a foot or two. so it dos not have mass energy.
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Studies have shown that max travel is about 5 feet (various calibers, but all within the handgun, light to medium rifle).  The movies go for dramatics...
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get a vise, a video camera and a big long string................like a science project.  Then post the results over on Sniper's Hide and see what "our gang" has to say......Get Your Popcorn Ready
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http://www.dlsports.com/underwater_handgun_shooting.html
 
 
in depth ( no pun intended) report on Glock underwater firing
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Captin Mike on the dive boat More Bottom Time used a .40 cal to shoot a bull shark on a dive trip we took out of Panama City. Killed it too. Put it up against the head. Like a very short bang stick. About 7 years ago. So it does work.
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I saw the program Myth Buster the other day. Missed the first part but the summary was that a bullet at 30 deg angle will not travel more then 3 feet under water. I saw the part where they shot a 50mm rifle. Same result. The higher velocities exploded or the bullets disintegrated. The lower velocities from pistols or revolvers in fact penetrated a bit more, up to 5 feet.
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From TopGlock, a good source for supplies, BTW

The Glock 17 may be equipped with an optional set of maritime spring cups for use in water environments. Maritime spring cups are not intended for submerged firing, but for surface use by special ops teams who operate in and around water. The maritime spring cups are two small parts within the firing pin assembly and are not included on any Model 17 sold by Glock (civilians can only get them through 3rd parties). They insure that water can pass by the firing pin within the firing pin channel, thus preventing the creation of hydraulic force within the firing pin channel -- which would slow the firing pin down, causing light primer strikes. With the special cups, the action will cycle reliably while submersed, if a little bit slower. NATO specification ammunition (such as Winchester's Ranger RA9124N) with waterproof sealed primers and case mouths is recommended.

Although you may install the maritime spring cups on any Glock model, *only* the Glock 17 was designed and intended to use the modified spring cups for aquatic firing -- and only then using 9mm ball ammunition to remain within acceptable pressure limits. The foolhardy who insist on living dangerously must keep several things in mind: The Glock 17 must be fully submersed underwater. There must not be any air left within the pistol as the muzzle is pointed towards the surface of the water after submersion to allow the air in the barrel to escape. Use only full metal jacket, ball-type ammunition because the water within the barrel can spread a hollow point out within the barrel upon firing. This increases the bearing surface of the bullet to the barrel and could catastrophically increase pressures. Even if the barrel doesn't burst, the expanded bullet would get even bigger upon exiting into the water and would slow down very quickly while tumbling. Accuracy would be terrible.

The marinized Glock 17 is primarily for use by various Special Warfare units operating in aquatic environments. At least one specialized Scuba diving group regularly uses G17's to dispatch sharks where they dive. The Glock 17 using NATO specification ball ammunition will completely penetrate a minimum of one 1/2" pine board at a distance of ten feet from the muzzle when fired underwater.

Trained personnel who use Glocks underwater know they must obey several rules:
   1) use only a Glock Model 17 with amphibious spring cups (reliability issue);
   2) use only 9mm FMJ subsonic, sealed primer ammo;
   3) completely immerse the pistol and get *all* the air out of the barrel;
   4) wear protective ear plugs, gloves, wet suit, face mask, etc.;
   5) do not fire near solid objects or in enclosed spaces to prevent return
     concussion.

http://www.topglock.com/info/faq.htm



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Trained personnel who use Glocks underwater know they must obey several rules:
6) get another job description
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Definitely special case, not run of the mill "every man" shooting situation.  Didn't want to bring in Special Ops. 
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did I miss the part about double tap?? what no slide cycle, and fmj to boot. thats pretty special.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

Trained personnel who use Glocks underwater know they must obey several rules:
6) get another job description


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Myth Busters did a test on a 1911 underwater. The gun fired but would not cycle, stove pipe on every shot. I can't see why there would any difference Glock.
 
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Originally posted by Ring Master Ring Master wrote:

Myth Busters did a test on a 1911 underwater. The gun fired but would not cycle, stove pipe on every shot. I can't see why there would any difference Glock.
 
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From my post above

With the special cups, the action will cycle reliably while submersed, if a little bit slower.

I assume that the kits as listed from Top Glock work.


Edited by tahqua - January/01/2009 at 22:53
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