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This is not a slam on anyone, just an observation.  I am seeing more and more people wanting a mildot reticle for a hunting scope.  Why?  For a general hunting situation I find it to be inferior to a duplex or a #4 reticle.  I would also guess that 99% of the people who buy these things really don't have a clue as to how to properly use the system.  It appears that most of the people who do try to learn the system get discouraged and give up.  I suspect people are missing or wounding more than they would with a conventional set-up.  I think this is a terrible choice for all but the handful of people who either really know how to use these scopes, or the small minority who are willing to put in the time and have someone who can teach them how to use these scopes.  I am convinced that the huge majority of owners get frustrated and wind up using the scopes like any other conventional system.  In my opinion, they are a waste for all but a select few.  I think a basic holdover Ballistic Plex reticle makes more sense for the average shooter looking for something beyond the Duplex. 

 

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I know how to use a Mil-Dot reticle, and I use them for hunting with great results. 

Why do you see them as inferior to a duplex or a #4? 
They can be used exactly the same way as either of those AND you have the option to do more if you care to learn... I see that as being quite superior...

What is your reasoning behind suspecting people are missing or wounding more animals than with any other reticle?
I can't think of any situations where a mil-dot would CAUSE a bad shot... People will make bad shots with any reticle.  That is due more to not being familiar with the weapon than the scope...



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More people seem to get a false since of security with a mildot and think they can make much longer shots than they are capable of.  You can make those longer shots if you understand the system and understand that you have to take into account such factors as the wind, angle, etc. (not only at your location but downrange).  Most people are clueless at this.  Thus more wounding and missed shots.  I think a heavy duplex is much better in low-light and I think a #4 is much faster.  For me, the mildot makes for a very "busy" image.  I am from the school of thought that you should know where your rifle hits out to any range that you might shoot.  I think most people would be better served by purchasing a rangefinder and practicing more with their rifle.  The mildot is great for the intended purpose.  I think it is lacking as a hunting reticle.

 

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You can't really blame the Mil-Dot for people thinking they can make long shots if they have never practiced them.


Basically you are saying that an inexperienced hunter cannot use a Mil-Dot scope effectively.  And I concur with that, but I also believe that the same inexperienced hunter will make all the same mistakes with any other reticle.


To each his own.  Personally I can't stand a #4 reticle, and I would never buy one. But  that is just my personal preferance.
 I don't find Mil-Dots too busy at all, and I could use them efficiently even before I learned how to use them correctly.


The range finder is a great idea, and complements a Mil-Dot for those who have not how to range find with the mil dot.  They serve as hold over marks.  Thatís how I used them until I found out I could range find faster with the scope.  Just use a range finder at the range at 25 or 50 yard intervals and note where on the dots you aim at each range.  Then you have a place to aim for rather than just hold over and pray. 

While I may be in the minority in my preference for using a Mil-Dot for hunting I am defiantly far from being alone, and I know of plenty others who swear by them as I do.

 

I like them, you donít.  Guess that about sums it up.

 

Tim



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When a straight line leaves its orgin, it deviance is measured in MOA because like polar co-ordinates on which it is based it does away with the closed set of 2 measurements a Cartesian system uses. Thus the resulting new direction is a vector expressed in MOA. Mil-Dot people call this Mil radians. The problem is bullet travel is not a straight line and has a cone of fire ( a MOA random error) built into it. If the cone of fire is 3" in a bad rifle and the mill dots are spaced (say for discussion) at 3 Moa the scope would be totally useless as a hold over device but could still be used for ranging because it doesn't need a fired round to complete it's purpose. Personally I don't like mil-dots for ranging or hold over. Take a laser finder determine the distance then set your AO to that distance and now adjust the rear occular until it is in focus. The cross hair will not be quite as sharp unless you have 20/20 but this works very well. And well within the statistical cone of fire of the rifle (if it is at least a 1 moa). More important than any type of system is a chronograph. Shooting alot at different distances, knowing the B.C. of the bullet you are using, it's velocity, and proper technique go alot further than a playstation in your scope.
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)     Back to Top Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/10/2005 at 15:31
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What he said.

 

ranburr

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