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Hi, I am new here,

I actually just bought my new SWFA SS-Tac 30 mm rings for the Falcon Menace 4-14 x 44 when the one I want with the Metric System using centimeters becomes available.  I would of liked to buy both my rings and scope from one place.  I am just curious if anyone here knows why SWFA does not carry Falcon scopes since they have good reviews on the internet.


I had great customer by the way at SWFA, Patty the SWFA Rep went out of her way to look up the specs for the scope ring as far as height, width etc.. so I know it would be the right fir for my application.  Thanks again SWFA.

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Might have to do with warranty service needing to be taken up with the dealer instead of Falcon...unnecessary hassle for a very busy company that is already successful.
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I saw some photos recently of a Falcon with its top turret broken off so one person's idea of what is a great scope and someone elses idea might be different.  I wouldnt mind seeing SWFA carry Nightforce though but aparently the Premier is better.

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The return rate on Falcon is well below Millett. Speaking from experience as a distributor of both.
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I should also add the customer service offered by Bushnell sucks in comparison to Falcon - The difference is like night and day. Attempt to find someone at Bushnell that actually wants to resolve an issue... LOL. Falcon on the other hand have the small company personal touch and go out their way to be responsive. 
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Digit last I recall you wanted to know about a scope to hunt 500 to 900 yds.   Roll on Floor Laughing
 
and now  ------->    "Speaking from experience as a distributor of both. "  Laugh
 
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Yep - product research. Excellent Actually we are an IOR distributor as well. Oh and we do have customers that reguly hunt at those ranges. We are not in the USA.

Anyway - back to Falcon. They do have some very interesting new products due for release in the next couple of months as well. Falcon is definately one company that is filling a niche in the market place... ie listening to what customers want and producing the goods.
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Sorry Digit but the stuff available in the US absolutely smokes the Falcon you just dont have any of it to be able to realize the difference.
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Would be keen to know what smokes Falcon in its respective price ranges (in USA) with similar functionality - very keen to know :)

I should also point out how very lucky forum readers are to be a USA resident in regards to the cost of your sport. How many of you would pay in excess of $US1000 for a Remington 700 SPS or similar dollars for a Bushnell Eilte 4200? The reality is that many USA residents are in a very enviable position when it comes to purchasing goods.
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Originally posted by Digit Digit wrote:

Yep - product research. Excellent Actually we are an IOR distributor as well. Oh and we do have customers that reguly hunt at those ranges. We are not in the USA.

Anyway - back to Falcon. They do have some very interesting new products due for release in the next couple of months as well. Falcon is definately one company that is filling a niche in the market place... ie listening to what customers want and producing the goods.



Hi Digit,

Thanks for your input.  Can you expand and give details if you can on what is coming out from Falcon.  I have not bought my Falcon Menace 4-14 X 44 yet because the online store that I will be getting is sold out of the Metric version currently.  I did ask the online store if Falcon was ever going to make a Illuminated retical, and I was told that Falcon was working on one, but he said that he was not sure if the illuminated retical was for the Falcon Menace.  So if you could, would please give details.  If Falcon is coming out with illuminated rectical for the Falcon Menace, I think I could wait a little longer for that.. Thanks
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Originally posted by Digit Digit wrote:

Would be keen to know what smokes Falcon in its respective price ranges (in USA) with similar functionality - very keen to know :)
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You  wont find any Falcon scopes in use by the U.S. military, I'd take a fixed 10x Super Sniper over one any day for reliability.  You are looking at tactical scopes from the perspective of hunting at extreme distance.  If  a target that shoots back --- reliability matters. In that $500 to $1000 or so price range here is what is a better choice and each has its own set of features.    
SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical Riflescope Mil-Dot SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS39X42
  • Matte
  • First Focal Plane Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
$599.95 
Add SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical Riflescope to Cart
Weaver 3-15x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope Mil-Dot Weaver 3-15x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - 800362
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
$649.95 
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Weaver 4-20x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope Mil-Dot Weaver 4-20x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - 800360
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
$724.95 
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Leupold 4.5-14x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope Duplex Leupold 4.5-14x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - LEU56140
  • Matte
  • Duplex
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
$724.95 
Add Leupold 4.5-14x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope to Cart
Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope Mil-Dot Sightron 6-24x50 SIII 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SIIISS624X50LRMD
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
$804.95 
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Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope
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I do think that you will find that none of the scopes listed above are in the Falcons respective price range apart from the SS. All of the items you have listed are very nice optics but... the Falcon does also have a unque feature set such as Mil/Mil reticle/turrets that only the SS in this list has - fairly useful for a tactical scope. And lets face it - and Im honest as you will get - who wasnt disapointed the SS wasnt implemented with a bigger power range and parallax adjustment. If it ever is, it will be something to behold Im sure - Ill be smuggling one out of the USA.
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My concern with the Falcon is that I do not trust it to be reliable in a gunfight.  I have looked at the glass in the Falcon and I was not overly impressed with that either.  I am however very impressed with the glass on the Trijicon as well as its unique illumination features. Im also very impressed with the two new versions of the Super Sniper. Weaver will be coming out with other tactical models that have added features including more internal adjustment.  Police and military units often use the Leupold Mk4 and this particular model has 100 moa of internal adjustment it may be moa based rather than mil but it is battle proven reliable.  I'm not a big Burris fan but I would take one of those to a gunfight before I would take a Falcon. To me its all about what works and spending $X on a scope where a couple hundred more would buy you one that is battle proven reliable doesnt sound like a good choice to me. Obviously the Falcon cant any where near match the utility of the reticle on the Zeiss of the Horus.   And if you want reliablility ATK owned Weaver is fixing to make a serious effort to best everything else in its class rememer ATK also owns  Federal Ammo etc.

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In the Falcons price range, you are not looking for hardware to take to war. I wouldnt even feel comfortable with an SS or an ATK product where my life was relying on my equipment.
In this price range you are looking for something that allows you to compete or hunt with the benefits of tactical design - ie a large customer base who isnt actually posted in Afghanistan. My customers enjoy the repeatability, FFP, Mil/Mil and good glass that Falcon enables without the need to spend Premier money so that they can reliably nail a Chamois at 500 metres with their .270. Real world stuff for the common person.
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The Vortex 6.5-20x44/50 is in the Falcon's price range and better in absolutely every way...so you pick that or the mil/mil and FFP features. 

I would trust a Millett before a Falcon...and by all accounts are same/same quality...but Millett's lifetime warranty isn't going anywhere.  Falcon's website has been down for awhile now, 3 months+??  In this day and age that makes no sense and creates more doubt...14 year old's can design and run these websites.
 
Durability and quality of components....even if you are not LEO/MIL you want whatever you buy with your money to work right and be built right.  If a scope goes to sh*t when you are hunting or at the range that you just payed a lot of money to get to and sign up for it's still a tragedy. 
 
If you can't build a tough scope that works the way it is supposed to and offer it at $300/400 - then fix your crap and offer it at a little higher price if you got to!
 
If the Falcon scopes can not track right all the cool features go to waste, its just a sex'd up Simmons.
 
Quality over features until you get to $1,000....then you can be more picky and get it all....only exceptions are the SS scopes and maybe one or two others.
 
 
 
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Yes, from what I have heard Vortex is a superb brand with a great warranty. Unfortunately they are not available in New Zealand due to the Australian distributor owning rights to the brand.  Still - Vortex doesnt have the features of the Falcon untill you get to its new $2000 scope.

In regards to Millett over Falcon... that would be a very foolish mistake. SWFA and Liberty Optics on various forums indicate as much in regards to Millett quality control. My own experience reflects this as well - See here... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1361032 - Millett should never be compared to Falcon - Falcon has a much better quality control.

I guess every forum has its champions for certain brands and detractors for others. I realise that this is not the best place to be honest about Falcon. Like the original post in this thread I am surprised that Swfa doesnt sell Falcon. Its features, price and quality make it a far better product to represent than other similar priced offerings.

We do seem to be going around in circles with this conversation. If anyone wants to PM me to further this discussion, please feel free.
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Originally posted by Digit Digit wrote:


I guess every forum has its champions for certain brands and detractors for others. I realise that this is not the best place to be honest about Falcon.
 
Are you alleging THIS forum "champions" Millet?!?!?
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Originally posted by Digit Digit wrote:

Yes, from what I have heard Vortex is a superb brand with a great warranty. Unfortunately they are not available in New Zealand due to the Australian distributor owning rights to the brand.  Still - Vortex doesnt have the features of the Falcon untill you get to its new $2000 scope.

In regards to Millett over Falcon... that would be a very foolish mistake. SWFA and Liberty Optics on various forums indicate as much in regards to Millett quality control. My own experience reflects this as well - See here... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1361032 - Millett should never be compared to Falcon - Falcon has a much better quality control.

I guess every forum has its champions for certain brands and detractors for others. I realise that this is not the best place to be honest about Falcon. Like the original post in this thread I am surprised that Swfa doesnt sell Falcon. Its features, price and quality make it a far better product to represent than other similar priced offerings.

We do seem to be going around in circles with this conversation. If anyone wants to PM me to further this discussion, please feel free.

That is a very presumptuous statement.

You can be honest about any scope you wish to be honest about.

I have limited experience with Falcon, but the simple fact that it only has a 5 year warranty detracts me from buying it.  I only saw a couple of Falcon scopes briefly and they looked OK, but did not look interesting enough for me to dig deeper.

That is an honest opinion right there.  For me this is a hobby.  I like to play with scopes in my spare time.  Whether Falcon sells a million scopes or none at all makes exactly zero difference to me.

For you this is a money making enterprise.  You make a living by selling optics, including Falcon.  Are you 100% certain that your opinion is unbiased?  Perhaps, you should be careful about bandying about the word "honest" or soon enough it will not be worth nearly as much as you think it will. 

A couple of words on Millett: it seems to be going through difficult times as far as QC goes.  I am guessing being acquired by Bushnell has not been particularly smooth, but I do not have any inside information on the subject.

Since I have very little experience with Falcon scope, I do not have the slightest idea of how they compare with Millett, what their QC is like (or whether they are intended to fall apart in five years or why the warranty is the way it is).

I do have three different Super Sniper scopes that I am very happy with.

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