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So, my 'dream' 7.62 autofeeding rifle is close to being in my possession (LWRCI REPR, 18" midweight barrel, etc, etc) and i'm getting down to optics deciing time.

at first i was thinking an ACOG in 3.5x with BAC (bindon = both eyes open) with the chevron and BDC for 7.62 cal, seems all i wanted... but it seems i'm right handed 

and left eye dominant, so both eyes open with any magnification in the optic for my right eye makes my left eye "win", so, er, not sure that's gonna work.

So, i went back to the 1x - Yx traditional scope concept. so for my tac-classes enjoyment, i can run it at 1x, yet dial in some mag for 500yd shots. in my 

spreadsheet i have:

a) IOR pitbull
b) USO SN-4s
c) NF nxs 1-4x24
d) S&B (3 of the 1.1-4x short dots, thinking of the LE b/c of the 2nd FP so the dot isn't huge/obscuring at longer distances)

then went back to the SWFA best scope list and was reminded of swarovski and Zeiss.

e) Zeiss Victory Vari 1.1-4x24
f) Swarovski Z6i 1-6x24

(frame of reference: my rangequeen, which is a great gun, but a bit long and heavy for anything but shoot in place, is a smooth side LR308 DlPMS 24" fluted stainless 
barrel, ChipMcormick single stage drop in, cryo'd barrel, magpul prs and NF NXS zero stop moa+moa 3.5-15x56 equipped.   i started that stick off with a buckmaster, 

but maybe it was because i wasl always getting to the outdoor range after work at dusk, but i wanted more visibility, hence the 56mm overkill objective in my NF).  

what i don't like about my NF: the rotating objective when zooming, not sure i want that on my short/mid range 308/7.62.

anyways: there's a crapload in my spreadsheet, but to summarize what i think are the salient points (and please pipe up here and tell me i'm wrong or i've overlooked 
anything):

a) the IOR seems to be hit/miss build-wise.  and their honest multi-month wait for service if it needs to go back to the oldcountry gives me pause. 23oz is not light 

either.
b) USO seems good, feature rich, glass on par with NF which is good. lead time not thrilling and all the ones i'm finding in the open market are not-my-first-choice reticles or bdc's for 223, etc.  
c) NF: the dustcap-twisty nag.  with BUIS right by the eyepiece plane i see this being more noticable than it is now in my 3.5-15 NF.  
D) S&B's: 1.1, not sure how noticable that is (1.1 vs. true 1.0x)  the FOV isn't as wide as the IOR nor Swarovski, that's for sure.  they do seem tough, tho.  and the LE version with 2nd FP makes the most sense since this isn't a 12" SBR, this is an 18" 7.62 that i want to shoot at 500yds when the terrain allows.  would like a diff retical but that's-life.  their illum knob with off between each setting is cool.
E) Zeiss: 1.1 again, not as ideal as 1x.  how durable are these beauties?  i really like taking handgun training courses, and have wanted to take a rifle/carbine one but my lr308 would give me a hernia by the end of day one, so my goal with the REPR is to enjoy lots of course time with it, not be a safe queen.
F) Swar: 1x and goes to 6x, good stuff.  only spec it gives up to Zeiss is the exit pupil being stingier at both ends of the magnification. FOV only beat by the IOR, but 
the Swar iss 37% less weight, and has a warranty that should beat the IOR.  Light transmission is great.  elevation adjustment beats all but the NF, so plenty fine to get a 308 out to 500m.  Not sure if the "pushbutton illum adjust" will be as natural as a knob, a la S&B, but i get the idea of less blocking your vision so one less knob..

For the same $$ as the Zeiss, seems the Swarovski gives me the true 1x i desire and more reach to 6x.  the EE model means i could run it in front of my BUIS, not quite like a ranch rifle but fine for both eyes open scanning.  What am i missing?  Why no reviews for this thing?  / Very little feedback online (yes, the price, but anything else?)

thanks for reading and i look forward to your opinions, especially if you've shot with any of those in my list or others you can recommend.

-Hak
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overlooked the knobs:

do the Zeiss and Swar require knob caps to get at their waterproofness?  Seems the "capless" (or always exposed with gradients) NF NXS and S&B PM would have a leg up there...

the 1.1 on the S&B seems 1x-ish, reviews wise.  hmmm.   and the FFP one(s) doesn't look that intrusive, since the red-dot can be turned off then you're left with a mil-rad crosshair yet it's large enough/bright enough to be red-dot like.
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Have a Swarovski PH in 1.1-4x24 and the FOV AT 100 YDS IS about 100 ft.  At 4 it's about 35.  I know then can be found for considerably less than the Z6 and Zeiss.  Look around, you may be surprised at what you can find...

BTW, love my Swaros...
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thanks - is PH "Professional hunter"?

i'm finding the 1.5-6, is the 1.1-4 disconinued?   does the PH line not have lume? (so you don't use it as a red dot)?

the 1x-6x of the Z6i does look nice, but the capless locking knobs of the S&B PM2 does seem very applicable to what i want it to do.    

does the PH line knobs cover the graduations?

thanks.
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The swaro would make an outstanding piece for this type of gun, if you can live with a few shortcomings. the swaro turret system doesn't come close to the NF in durability or ease of use, although it is pull up resetable to zero,, there are no numbers and only goes part of the way around the dial. while they use plastic turrets, which has been called a non-issue, I disagree completely in that the very least they could have done would be to pass the cost of manufacture decrease along to the consumer as in the case of Glock. another good option is the mk 1.4x5 leo with the spr reticle,Unless you are doing really short 10-20 yds the 1.5 power on the various models doesn't matter that much.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

The swaro would make an outstanding piece for this type of gun, if you can live with a few shortcomings. the swaro turret system doesn't come close to the NF in durability or ease of use,

Hmm, the s&B turrets are looking nicer and nicer.


Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

..although it is pull up resetable to zero,, there are no numbers and only goes part of the way around the dial.

can you explain?  i'm zooming in on their 3d view and it looks like plastic turret caps and i can't see what's underneath.


Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

 while they use plastic turrets, which has been called a non-issue, I disagree completely in that the very least they could have done would be to pass the cost of manufacture decrease along to the consumer as in the case of Glock. another good option is the mk 1.4x5 leo with the spr reticle,Unless you are doing really short 10-20 yds the 1.5 power on the various models doesn't matter that much.

thanks, i'll add it to my sheet. 

that your XCR?

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The 1.25-4 PH has been discontinued, but there are some available on the Sample List.  Check them out when you get a chance...
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most of the "sport" scopes are set up different than low range variable tactical. most have standard hunting turrets with caps, NF, and the leo have turrets that adjust for moa or bullet drop as in the case of the leo. also the low nxs compacts do not turn rear glass when adjusting the power ring, they are different than the larger nxs. here is picture of the swaro turret.
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