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Seems like it would be a great round!  Or maybe there is one and I just don't know about it.  like a .26-06.

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 There is a wildcat known as the 6.5-06. It is not very well known, but I agree with you that it should be an absolutely awesome blend of fine attributes.
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Yessir.  I would buy a few rifles in 6.5-06 if commercially available.  Right now you can only get them in custom guns.  I have a few 6.5x55s that I really like and use for deer. 
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That would be a great caliber.  You could probably get 2800 to 3000 fps out of 120 to 140 grain bullets.  That would make a great long range deer caliber
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Why not just shoot a .260 Rem?  You don't lose much at all to an '06 size case.   See .308 vs 30-'06.
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Originally posted by BillyWayne BillyWayne wrote:

Yessir.  I would buy a few rifles in 6.5-06 if commercially available.  Right now you can only get them in custom guns.  I have a few 6.5x55s that I really like and use for deer. 
 
Pretty much any rifle with an -.06 boltface could be as easily and economically re-barrelled to a 6.5-06 as any other chambering. No magazine or feed ramp alterations, either. You'd probably be paying a bit of a premium for reloading dies though.
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Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

Why not just shoot a .260 Rem?  You don't lose much at all to an '06 size case.   See .308 vs 30-'06.
 
Handloaded to run pretty much wide open, there's a fairly significant difference between a 6.5-06 and a .260. Especially with a fast twist and the heavier bullets, I think enough to matter.
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while the .260 is an amazing little animal, the 6.5-06 is better. the 6.5-06 is on par with the 6.5rem mag which isnt to far behind the .264 win mag. where the 6.5-06 makes the .260 look bad is when bullets 140gr and heavier are used. the extra case capacity in the -06 case helps it out down range.
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what is the metric equivalent of the 30-06.... 7.62X?  The .308 is 7.62X51 I think.  what is the 7.62X54?  Wondering how close the Swede comes to the '06.
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Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

Why not just shoot a .260 Rem?  You don't lose much at all to an '06 size case.   See .308 vs 30-'06.
 
That's too simple.   
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

what is the metric equivalent of the 30-06.... 7.62X?  The .308 is 7.62X51 I think.  what is the 7.62X54?  Wondering how close the Swede comes to the '06.
 
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At .30-06 would be a 7.62 x 63 I believe
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A-Square makes brass for the 6.5-06.  My uncle and I have talked for years about getting some beater rifles at a gun show or using one of our mausers and converting them to 6.5-06 ourselves.  I guess we would have to do up a few to make up for the cost of the reamers and go nogo guages.  But I have been a fan of the 6.5 since the first 1913 swedish mauser I bought 13 years ago. 
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Looks like Hart chambers barrels in 6.5-06.  Hornady, RCBS and Redding all make dies for it.
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Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

Why not just shoot a .260 Rem?  You don't lose much at all to an '06 size case.   See .308 vs 30-'06.




30-06 left .308 right 20mm back ground



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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

Why not just shoot a .260 Rem?  You don't lose much at all to an '06 size case.   See .308 vs 30-'06.




30-06 left .308 right 20mm back ground



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if you want to push the envelope a little look at going with a 6.5-06 AI almost .264 win mag performance.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

if you want to push the envelope a little look at going with a 6.5-06 AI almost .264 win mag performance.
 
Uhhh...............then why not just get a 264 Winchester to begin with??    Peeker
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

if you want to push the envelope a little look at going with a 6.5-06 AI almost .264 win mag performance.
 
Uhhh...............then why not just get a 264 Winchester to begin with??    Peeker
 
No belt
Less shoulder gap between new case shoulder and chamber
More brass availability (considering you can use 30-06 brass)
More efficient amount of powder to velocity ratio
Longer barrel life
Less recoil
Less muzzle blast
Easier to find an appropriate powder
 
I have had a 264 win mag and now have a 6.5 rem mag.  IME it is much easier to find a load pushing a 140 gr bullet at 3100 fps than trying to find one in the 264 win mag pushing the same bullet at 3250 fps (my spreadsheet shows red highliter all over it showing pressure signs on the 264 win mag page).  It is hard to find a slow enough powder to use in the 264 win mag.  With the 6.5-06, 6.5x284 or the 6.5 rem mag the case capacity is less and many powders like IMR4350, IMR4831, RL19, H4831, RL22, IMR7828, H1000 or RL25 or entirely appropriate.
 
Personally, I like a bullet that starts out between 2900 fps to 3100 fps because if you have a close shot the bullet may not get squirrely on you and blow up or pencil through.  I'm a heavy bullet 3000 fps guy and the 264 win mag is too much.  The 6.5-06 would be just right.
 


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http://www.bullberry.com/encore.html
You can get an encore barrel from bullberry in a 6.5-06 or a 6.5-06 improved WOW
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

what is the metric equivalent of the 30-06.... 7.62X?  The .308 is 7.62X51 I think.  what is the 7.62X54?  Wondering how close the Swede comes to the '06.
7.62x63
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6.5/06 is ballistically identical to a 6.5/284--  the euros like metric so 7mm and 8mm Brenneke  is the 7 and 8mm/06 equiv. Out to 500 yds, most of the 06 class of cartridges all shoot the same.
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I almost picked up a 6.5/06 at the Jackson, MS gunshow.  It was a 700 action, E.R. Shaw Barrel, Fajen Stock and Bushnell Elite 3200 3x9x50.  The guy was asking $750, which I thought sounded pretty reasonable.  The 6.5's are great rounds.  I have a CZ 550 FS that shoots sub MOA with 129g Hornady SST's.  If I wasn't so set on a .338/06 I'd be haveing a 6.5/06 put together instead.
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