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Am I just weird or like weird stuff?
 
Cause I have 2 Kahles scopes with the MultiZero function, a Zeiss with the RapidZ 800 and a couple of cranking turret scopes and the MultiZero's are hands down the easiest to use and most accurate for long distance adjustments
 
Does anyone else have one or use it?
 
For those not familiar the elevation turret has marks on it which you can easily set for whatever distance you want and there is a zero stop so the turret always stops at your predetermined zero
 
For instance I set mine for a zero at 200 yds so it needs no mark, just rotate the turret counterclockwise and it will stop at exactly the same place everytime.  So you don't need a mark for 200 yds
 
 
But the other marks I have set at 300, 400, 500 & 600 yds (you could set for 400, 600, 800 & 1000)
 
 
You can move the marks with any sharp object like a pen or the tool they provide (the silver ring is indented from the knurled black ring and won't move by itself)
 
 
If you have an intermediate range you can interpolate the setting and just shoot
 
540 yds
 
430 yds
 
It comes with a nice cap to protect the turret
 
 
Kahles glass is excellent and I would rate it with Zeiss, Swarovski et al
 
Move it to another rifle and no worries if your new caliber will fit the reticle, just reset the marks and go
 
So what's the problem?


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I have the same function on my Leatherwood M1000... love it. Very versatile capability.
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I think it's a great system...better than any BDC setup. I came super close to buying one, but got into mil/mil scopes. Now I've got drops memorized in mils every 25 yards from 200 to 600. If not, I'd still consider the multizero.
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It is an awesome scope. Its not heard of cause Kahles can't seem to get its act together here in the US.
There was hope that Chris (SWFA) was gonna be carrying them but that fell thru as well. Its a shame too. They are great scopes and if you find one these days you'll likely pay dearly for it. Maybe at some point down the road they'll wake up and get back over here.
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Timing they were also given up when Khales wasn't repd well.

For whatever reason they didn't sell to hot.

I don't think people understood them.

Burris had a Multi Plex reticle and Turret System that was color coated to the Sako Quad.

As far as the MultiZero:

I have 4 of them.

They are all used for different loads.

I do not use them for the yardage but rather the differing bullets...  I use a PBR type Zero for them...

1 on a .22lr 

1 on a .243win

1 on a 280REM

1 on a 7mm Mag.

I forget sometimes which A, B, or C.

For the subs I enjoy them the best.

It makes it easy for me to hand the rifle to anyone else to shoot and they can start making hits.

Mine all have the 4a type reticle I would love to have them in a Mil type, man that would be the cats meow... Yes, I understand the MIL scope but for every stinking load and differing brand of 22lr to have memorized HECK NO........




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Kahles distribution has changed a few times, but their US outfit is now run by Ken Pratt in Idaho.  He has been at it for a bit over a year and it seems to be working well.  Ken is a good guy and new Kahles scopes seem to be making reasonable inroads back into the US market.

They do not bring all of their scopes into US, but the ones they do seem to be intelligently selected and their quality is absolutely superb.

I stay in touch with the guy who runs their worldwide sales efforts and they seem to be doing fairly well all in all.

SWFA has their new scopes on the website, so it seems like they do carry them:

To address the original question: I have used Kahles Multizero scopes a fair bit and I like them.  They worked well and were easy to adjust.  

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Agree with Ilya..
I have owned the Multzero CL and liked it a lot.
And Ken Pratt is good people and in this for the long haul.


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Well it just seems like nobody is talking about it or buying it and pretty soon they will discontinue the MultiZero system because of lack of interest and sales (other than 338Lapua and I)
 
Of course when they discontinue it they will go on sale at a greatly reduced price!  Excellent
 
Which is exactly how I bought my 2 at $600 each when they discontinued it in the 1" tubed CL's I have now.
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Is there a difference between Swaro balistic turrets & Kahles multi zero?
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Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

Is there a difference between Swaro balistic turrets & Kahles multi zero?
 
Good question
 
 
Looks like when Swarovski briefly owned Kahles they borrowed the internal technology but made some changes
 
  • Turret turns in different direction
  • There are only 3 settings for the BT as opposed to 4 for the Kahles (4 is better)
  • It does not have a turret cap (I prefer to have a turret cap)
  • They have a calculator on their website (There is an easy system that I use to preset all the marks without shooting at long range)
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I like my swaro ballistic turret
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Swarovski BT was pretty much a modified MultiZero.  I've had both and I prefer the MZ.  I believe Kahles is still owned by Swarovski, but they are a separate division.  That was the last I knew.

I don't see many MZ for sale so that tells me that there must be some satisfied owners.  I have 4 of them myself and won't get rid of them...
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Originally posted by brodeur272 brodeur272 wrote:

Swarovski BT was pretty much a modified MultiZero.  I've had both and I prefer the MZ.  I believe Kahles is still owned by Swarovski, but they are a separate division.  That was the last I knew.

I don't see many MZ for sale so that tells me that there must be some satisfied owners.  I have 4 of them myself and won't get rid of them...


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Interesting the relationship regardless.

I have had 10x ZFM scopes that were identical in every way that had Swarovski on one and Kahles on the other. 30 yr old scopes. 

I have even returned Kahles To Swaro within the last 10 years.  I believe the paperwork in the Kahles box was Swaro as well.

Within the last 5 years I have had a horrible time trying to figure out what is what.





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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Originally posted by brodeur272 brodeur272 wrote:

Swarovski BT was pretty much a modified MultiZero.  I've had both and I prefer the MZ.  I believe Kahles is still owned by Swarovski, but they are a separate division.  That was the last I knew.

I don't see many MZ for sale so that tells me that there must be some satisfied owners.  I have 4 of them myself and won't get rid of them...


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Are you sure about that?

Last I heard Kahles was still owned by the Swarovski family, but was run entirely independently from Swarovski Sport Optics.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Originally posted by brodeur272 brodeur272 wrote:

Swarovski BT was pretty much a modified MultiZero.  I've had both and I prefer the MZ.  I believe Kahles is still owned by Swarovski, but they are a separate division.  That was the last I knew.

I don't see many MZ for sale so that tells me that there must be some satisfied owners.  I have 4 of them myself and won't get rid of them...


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Are you sure about that?

Last I heard Kahles was still owned by the Swarovski family, but was run entirely independently from Swarovski Sport Optics.

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That's the way I understand it.


Without getting into the particulars there was an agreement made between the two families....  and they do not share technologies. 
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Well, I'm under the impression that that relationship ended a few years ago and was apparent when Swaro severed the Kahles service ties.   That's why Kahles has been is such disarray here over the past 3-4 years.  In the best case, Swaro may technically still own them but they have no relationship whatsoever other than that.  Kahles completely does their own thing in every aspect of business.  As far as the G&O guys are concerned that I talk to, Kahles is competition like everybody else. 
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I can't see the benefit of that kind of relationship!
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Well, I'm under the impression that that relationship ended a few years ago and was apparent when Swaro severed the Kahles service ties.   That's why Kahles has been is such disarray here over the past 3-4 years.  In the best case, Swaro may technically still own them but they have no relationship whatsoever other than that.  Kahles completely does their own thing in every aspect of business.  As far as the G&O guys are concerned that I talk to, Kahles is competition like everybody else. 
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Swarovski won't make any scope that could be considered suitable for use against a human target.
It's a PC issue for them...

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Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:

Swarovski won't make any scope that could be considered suitable for use against a human target.
It's a PC issue for them...

Explain this for me if you will
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Kahles is still owned by Swarovski, even though SONA doesn't (currently) perform Kahles service work...though they went back to servicing Kahles products as recently as 4-5 years ago or so while Kahles was in-between US reps. Yes, they are technically competitors, but given today's reality, there isn't much direct overlap in product offerings between them.

While it may seem an unhealthy relationship to have one company compete against another that it owns, in reality, this happens all the time in various industries. I know of 3 or 4 of my suppliers that have this same relationship with competing companies under the same ownership, and actually it's very healthy, even if the two companies under the same umbrella have a very contentious, adversarial relationship, as I believe is the case between Swaro and Kahles. Competition drives innovation and forces all involved to have to either continually improve or get out of the way.

Kahles has outstanding products, and they always have. It's a shame they don't get much recognition for that fact here in the States. From where I sit, I think much of that is due to monumentally stupid business decisions, combining poor advertising with continually aligning themselves with incompetent organizations that didn't fit their high end niche and had no clue how to handle a high end optics line.


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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:

Swarovski won't make any scope that could be considered suitable for use against a human target.
It's a PC issue for them...

Explain this for me if you will


At least at present, Swaro will not make any so-called "tactical" products with the silver hawk logo on it. The focus of all their advertising and marketing is geared toward hunting, birdwatching, and nature ONLY. They have a somewhat liberal-minded philosophy that will not allow the development of any product specifically designed for anything other than paper or game animal targets and nature observation.
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basically no "tactical themed" products.  Gotcha!  Thats a shame.... a tactical scope from swaro, if kept as light as the other scopes they produce would be awesome.  I've debated putting my z5 on target duty but the limited elevation adjustment per turn is what keeps me from doing so.

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