..whos voting for Hussein Obama

McCain, plain and simple.

texashunter wrote: cyborg wrote: I'm a Libertarian and I wouldn't give my vote to Mr Paul................ What does that tell you bro....... ...your not a constitutionalist Look at his voting record compared to the constitution, He has a 100% Constitutionally correct voting record

Edited by cyborg - February/24/2008 at 23:06

zanmor wrote: Fighting foreign wars is not defending our own borders. Hell yes we need to document immigrants and secure our borders. A country without secure borders is no country at all. There are threats overseas. China, Korea and Iran are great examples, yet you don't find us going to war with them. For one, it makes no sense (just as Iraq didn't, but the administration pushed for it beyond reason) and for another thing, its immoral. Strictly speaking we can launch aggressive wars, but since war is supposed to be declared by Congress it is very rare that we would have an aggressive war if the Constitution was obeyed. Did you know we have troops in over 130 countries? From Afghanistan to Australia, France to Japan, they're defending everyone but America. If we had troops on our borders, in our airports and at our docks we wouldn't have illegal immigration, that's for sure. The thing is, the 9/11 terrorists were documented. And there's little you can do to stop actions like those unless you support things like the so-called 'Patriot' Act, stripping us of many of the rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. If you want to live in a police state like so many of the countries we occupy, by all means, let your Freedoms dissipate, but I won't stand for it. Many have taken an oath to office, swearing to defend this country and it’s Constitution from all threats, foreign and domestic. It is the latter we should be most worried about. A foreign threat is easy enough to spot and guard against. This or that army, the rhetoric of this communist or fascist leader, we see these and seek to protect ourselves. However, we fail to look at ourselves, or rather, those we have elected. These are the greatest threats for they have tasted the prestige, power and joys of public office. They seek to retain them, and not to retain the Freedom of the individual.

No I am a believer in that they despise us for the Moral slipping that has occured in this country. Which in a round about way is due to freedom, and the lack of responsibility, that is supposed to go hand in hand with freedom. Once responsibility is gone so then is freedom. We are seeing it now. Freedom of responsibility, is the absence of freedom. there is more freedom over there than there is here. Sad isn't it?

I have fought them on their grounds, and if necessary I WILL fight them on mine..... Thank you 8Shots. Once again your wisdom is dead on sir!!!!!!!

Hey Zanmor.......................................To my recollection, GERMANY did not attack us at anytime before WW2!! RIGHT??? The plain difference between you and the rest of us is very simple..............You would rather wait and do nothing until we are attacked again! You sir, would rather trust the terrorists not to go forward with any plans to attack us again. And only if we are attacked again, then strike back????!!!!!..................Let`s see now! Saddam violated 17 UN resolutions; but nevermind that!......He murdered hundreds of thousands if not millions of Iraquis; but nevermind that!........Bush went to the UN for two resolutions to try and satisfy his opposition and avoid the war; but nevermind that!......Bush gave Saddam every opportunity to avoid the war; but nevermind that!....... Saddam USED WMD in the north killing 5,000; but nevermind that!.........ALL of the intelligence agencies throughout the world UNANIMOUSLY concluded that he had WMD; but nevermind that!............Saddam gave 25K each to the famalies of the suicide bombers for a job well done; but nevermind that!........Saddam was shooting at our planes in the no fly zone; but nevermind that!.........The overwhelming majority of Democrats voted for the war; but nevermind that!.........Per several reports, had we not gone into Iraq, Saddam would have re-constituted in WMD ambitions, then selling or giving WMD to terrorist organizations like al-Queda to be used in the USA making 9/11 look like a bake sale; but nevermind that!..............This war was voted on, by both the house and Senate by a clear majority, which does in fact make it VERY constitutional; but nevermind that!.......UN resolution 1441 specifically stated that Saddam NEEDED to prove and show that he had no WMD and disclose FULLY what he did with them. It WAS NOT up to the U.S. to prove they existed; but nevermind that!.............The UN itself voted by a clear majority in favor for the war; but nevermind that!..........It`s ALL of the same breed of fanatical terrorism, whether in Afganistan, Iraq or in any of the many countries around the world; but nevermind that!................The 1st World Trade Center bombing; nevermind that!........The attack on the USS Cole; nevermind that!..........The two US Embassys destroyed in Africa; nevermind that!.......The Kobart towers attack; nevermind that!...........The bombing attack in Bali killing 200+; but nevermind that!.........The attacks in London and Spain; nevermind those!.........Saddam tried to mislead the weapons inspectors; nevermind that!..........Saddam invaded Kuwait; but what the hell; nevermind that!..........Regardless of any violence, Iraq now is starting to flourish with its economy and things are coming together; slowly but still coming together; nevermind that!............The surge has been working but not reported as to its success by our biased liberal friends in the media; nevermind that!.........Because Saddam violated ALL UN resolutions, THAT in and of itself gave us every right to re-enter Iraq,,,SIR; but nevermind that too!...................So Mr. Zanmor! You go right ahead and keep drinking that liberal KOOL-AID of yours, filled with recipes for do-nothing until we are attacked again and appeasement for those who wish us all dead or conform to their ideaology!...............UNCONSTITUTIONAL? Please show me where it says in the constitution that WE don`t have the right to defend ourselves OR take PREEMPTIVE action if necessary!!!!!!!...........YOU CAN`T; but nevermind that!!!............................ 

Strictly speaking we can launch aggressive wars, but since war is supposed to be declared by Congress it is very rare that we would have an aggressive war if the Constitution was obeyed. An undeclared war (all wars since Korea) is an unconstitutional war.

Germany was allied with Japan, who did attack us. "At the end of September 1940, the Tripartite Pact between Japan, Italy and Germany formalized the Axis Powers. As a warning to the United States, the pact stipulated that, with the exception of the Soviet Union, any country not currently in the war which attacked any Axis Power would be forced to go to war against all three."

What do I care about the Iraqis or Turks or the UN? What's a UN resolution to me, an American? Nothing, that's what. They mess with, not only our sovereignty but the sovereignty of all nations on the globe. Why should they make stipulations on Saddam? He wants to fight the rest of the Arab tribes, by all means, I could care less. Democrats voted for the war, whoopy, because Democrats' votes are were I look to for shining examples of defense of our Constitution and the rights guaranteed therein.

The U.S. has been attacked by and will continue to be a target of terrorists. This is virtually unavoidable to some extent. However, unless we link them with a government, say Saddam in Iraq, then we have no reason to invade that country. If we had linked 9/11 to Iraq then that bastard deserved to pay for what he brought about on our shores. But we didn't.

You guys admit to the ridiculous nature of the U.N. and the stupidity of Democrats, yet these are your prime examples for why we should go to war. This si why Americans are losing their Freedom.

And to answer a question, yes, if America were attacked again today, I would step up to fight for her defense. This is my homeland and I am proud of it. But not proud simply because we can destroy a third world country or oppress people across the globe and determine how other countries should work, but proud because we were founded on the ideals of individual Liberty and there's still a chance that we might honor that obligation.

Never you mind, you're clearly going to sit on that fence until you take a splinter to the sphincter or some other country comes in and knocks you and the rest of the fence riders down a few. We could have taken out Bin Laden, we knew what he was and we knew which side he took sides on after G.W. I. We did nothing because folks like you wouldn't stand for it. You don't have the stomach for freedom. You don't get it. You won't get it, because you can't get it. I am not going to waste my time. SLEEP WELL, and thank a soldier for providing that for you.   

First and foremost, there is no comparison, regardless what pundits and politicians want to say, between this problem and Germany.  I will not go into further detail, but will say that radical Muslim extremists are different breed altogether.  They are not soldiers.  They have only one plan, that is too kill every non-Muslim in the way of their thinking.  If you think for a moment that leaving the region altogether will solve the problem, you are delusional.  We did have Bin Laden, but Bill Clinton was to busy watching golf.  Therein is the problem with liberals.  Thats funny though, considering how many people associated with the Clinton's have mysteriously died.

Big Squeeze wrote: zanmor wrote: After Germany started annexing nations it was no longer a preemptive war. It was defensive. The Allies were fighting a defensive war against the Axis. There was no reason to attack and kill Hitler before he annexed Austria or Poland, but after he initiated these hostile and threatening actions, France and England should have honored their agreement and attacked Germany to insure Polish independence. That didn't happen and that's what was wrong. "We could have taken out Bin Laden, we knew what he was and we knew which side he took sides on after G.W. I. We did nothing because folks like you wouldn't stand for it." Huh? Do you mean Saddam and the first Gulf War? If not, I agree, we could have easily dealt with Bin laden if we hadn't run haphazardly into Iraq. We shouldn't have done sh*t with Saddam in the early 90's. We shouldn't have been in Kuwait. The U.N. can push them back if they want to, the other Arab tribes can do what's in their interest and keep Saddam from getting too powerful, but we had no real reason (other than U.N. resolutions) to be there. We don't have to fight everyone. Plenty of our enemies are enemies of our other enemies and happy to fight each other, thereby saving us some trouble. Freedom is only provided by soldiers when they fight wars that actually defend our Constitution. Otherwise politicians turn these noble men into tools of fascism and tyranny. .....................................You`re an idiot!!..................What President had several opportunities to get Bin Laden and didn`t do it!!!??? SLICK WILLY CLINTON!!............We shouldn`t have gone into Kuwait? Now you`re a real idiot!.......The UN has no army to speak of. They can`t even enforce their OWN resolutions!!...You can`t be that stupid!!!...................As far as the rest of your hypotheticals?......I guess you are that dumb, especially when it comes to the enemy!..................

....................................................To Zanmor from the Squeeze!.....................................