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Hi,

 

Just wondering who makes the Tasco SS and how good Bushnell's repair service is. Warranties aren't what they use to be. Thanks.

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SWFA makes the SS, tasco is no longer affiliated with the project.  We took over after tasco went under.  Bushnell bought the intellectual rights of tasco later and we worked a deal with them to handle the importation and warranty service on our behalf.

 

Bushnell's warranty repair department is above average and we seldom hear of complaints or problems with them.

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The original manufacturer of super sniper scope is HAKKO japan (they make the ss under tasco specifications to meet the usmc contract..Now hakko makes the ss for SWFA (they said the scopes specifications are the same than military contract).
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Originally posted by ots03 ots03 wrote:

The original manufacturer of super sniper scope is HAKKO japan (they make the ss under tasco specifications to meet the usmc contract..Now hakko makes the ss for SWFA (they said the scopes specifications are the same than military contract).
- False information.

 

Hakko has never had anything to do with the Super Sniper rifle scopes.  In fact Hakko no longer exist.  They filed for bankruptcy earlier this year and have completely shut down.

 

They've also never had a USMC contract.  They had a U.S. Navy contract and we currently sell them to the U.S. Army.

 

The specifications are no longer the same as the original contract called for either.  Due to technological advances over the years we've upgraded several aspects of the scopes to make them even stronger.

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Well Chris..........you told that Hakko has never had anything to do with the Super Sniper rifle scopes...........Please let me know who is the manufacturer of super sniper scope (which factory and country )
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SWFA makes the SS, the second post in this thread has your answer.
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Chris,

 

What were the two reasons that the Navy didn't accept the contract and have you corrected these problems? Thanks.

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Originally the scopes were marketed by tasco sports optics to the U.S. Navy. Tasco never offered these for sale to the public and has since been bought out by Bushnell Performance Optics, Inc. SWFA, Inc. now has the exclusive world wide rights to the Super Sniper scopes and the Super Sniper name. The success of these scopes has spawned copies and a lot of misinformation. If you have any questions as to the authenticity of a Super Sniper scope call or e-mail us. If you see anyone selling scopes claiming to be Super Sniper scopes that don't look like the ones at SuperSniper.com e-mail us with the companies name and as much information as you can provide.

 

There is only one original true Super Sniper scope. Don't be fooled by fraudulent dealers passing Hakko MP scopes as Super Snipers. Hakko would respond to customer e-mails confirming that they have nothing to do with the SS scopes.

 

The SS scopes have always been made by the same factory in Japan. The only difference is we now have world wide exclusive rights and control of the production and distribution. A few years back when tasco was sinking they still had control and a bad batch did reach market. The problems were all related to improper assembly and easily rectified once they were identified. It had to do with an internal lens tolerance being to large. The focus lens would bind if the user over torqued Badger or Mark 4 style rings. When we took over we sent examples of every complaint we had seen to the factory with detailed instructions about the problems. They identified every single issue and we were able to rectify them all by simply having the factory assemblers properly trained on how to assemble these scopes. Being mil spec the tolerances are much tighter than a normal scope and certain parts have to be assembled in a specific order.

 

The "mushy knob" syndrome....man, that doesn't sound too good, does it. Anyway, the not so tactile and audible windage and elevation adjustments were corrected three years ago. The SS scopes use a special grease that is salt water friendly and the assemblers were using too much of it and sometimes in the wrong place. This would cause the mushy feel. Replacing or removing the O rings and wiping as much grease off as you could access would often improve the feel. Proper training and improved quality control has eliminated the issue altogether since we have taken over.

 

More recently we have upgraded the Super Snipers at the request of the U.S. Army and only after approval by the Department of Defense.  Basically we brought the scopes up to date by using the latest technologies that did not exist when the SS scopes were originally made.  The current SWFA Super Sniper scopes are even stronger than their predecessors with most of the internals being completely new and redesigned.  Some of the highlights include steel ball bearing, increased spring tension and a state of the art universal joint added to the end of the erector tube.

 

The real SS scopes are built to the same NATO specs required by a U.S. Navy contract.  I am not aware of any problems the Navy had.  Before tasco went under they had the contract information along with paid invoices for hundreds of scopes.  This contract was later replaced with a new contract.

 

We take these scopes very seriously and realize that U.S. troops lives depend on these scopes daily. This year we have shipped a record amount of Super Sniper scopes to various bases all over the U.S. for sniper platoons deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan. Anything and everything we learn from these guys is considered in production.  Ask the guys up in New York at Ft. Drum with the 10th Mountain Division what they think about the latest SWFA Super Sniper scopes.

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Originally posted by Chris Chris wrote:

Originally posted by ots03 ots03 wrote:

The original manufacturer of super sniper scope is HAKKO japan (they make the ss under tasco specifications to meet the usmc contract..Now hakko makes the ss for SWFA (they said the scopes specifications are the same than military contract).
- False information.

 

Hakko has never had anything to do with the Super Sniper rifle scopes.  In fact Hakko no longer exist.  They filed for bankruptcy earlier this year and have completely shut down.

Absolutely. I have several Hakko MP's and they look NOTHING like the SS. I have heard however that HAKKO expect (wish?) to be back in 2006, Chris!

 

There is something VERY SIMILAR available in the UK to the SS - Can comment on the innards. But Nikko-Stirling Sniper and some scopes retailed by Edgar Bros in the UK look identical and friends there who've been able to see them side by side say there is no visible difference.

 

And there is NO price comparison. Just a crying bl**dy shame that you cant ship the SS to us over here. I NEED ANOTHER 10*42.

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 I never doubt about super sniper quality....and I know that the super sniper is made exclusive for SWFA....but, of course swfa is a client who order the super sniper to a FACTORY. The best scopes major manufacturer of scopes in japan are Light optical works and hakko ; they made scopes for several brands, and they made the scopes to meet the brand specification (of quality and....price ). Probably the bushnell / bausch lomb /hakko mp are made in the same factory than Super Sniper, but quality specifications are diferent.

Hakko can made exelent scopes and .........bad scopes too ( I remember the springfield armory scopes....a bad scope made by hakko ), they just made the scopes under the specifications of the client.  

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Hakko went bust because they let their quality slip. I know the MD of a company that was commisioning 100's of MP scopes from Hakko. They decided to stop when over 80% of scopes shipped had some defect or another. A shame as early Hakkos were not bad given the price.  

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I own a 10x42 SS rear focus model that I bought on holiday in the US.It came in a white box with a USN contract label, and i was told it was" liberated" from the US navy stores.Since then i have bought several top quality scopes but always I have tried to get another SS!(damn you SWFA for not shipping to the UK!-do something about that immediately!.Edgar brothers here in the UK market an exact duplicate of the SS.

And I do mean Exact! I have held it, examined it and shot with it and its the same as my SS.

They also sell exact copies of the side focus models too.

Nikko Sterling also sell an exact copy of the SS- in fact the finish is slightly better (although i am comparing it to my old navy contract SS, which would obviously be lacking in badges, fine finish etc.).

Although SWFA state they make the SS scopes they must be outsourcing it to a japanese scope making firm such as Lightworks, who in turn are making and selling the same scopes here in the UK under these brand names.

This is good as it means i could replace my SS if it broke, however i would have to pay almost double the price to do so!

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The reason I started this tread was to find out who makes them, and how long they have been doing it. Unless a company has a big name, it could  be a fly by night deal. It is hard enough to get service even with the ones who have been around awhile. I think that only about 2 out of 10 new busineeses survive today. Even the firearms quality has dropped off over the years.

 

I thought SWFA was in the US so they can't actually be making the scopes. They might have changed the name To SWFA,  I'm still not sure. I don't know anything about Light Force.

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Well let's see.  They were sold to the military in 1986 by Hoffman enterprises, a woman owned set aside business.
Been in the same factory for all that time.
If I told you what factory made it, would you be able to assess the quality of product or service having that knowledge?
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Mike,

 

Not if it isn't well known. I don't even know what a set aside business is. It sounds like the same factory anyhow.

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Yeah.. they have to ship it to europe. Its alot of work getting pepole to send them over
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 Well I see nobody knows the name of the factory who manufacture the Super Sniper ..or even where the factory is located (of course is not located in europe or usa ).  Of course this factory makes scopes for several brands...(thats why some east asia made scopes, of diferent brands looks so similar ).

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Didn't say nobody knew.....just said nobody's telling
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If you want to avoid all this controversy and drama, just by a Bushnell Elite.  End of story.

 

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Do you mean the 10x40 Bushnell Elite 3200 with the Mil-Dot reticle? It's not a bad scope but it is in no way shape or form as good as the 10x42 Super Sniper.

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I happen to own both a super sniper and a Bushnell 10x40 3200 elite mil-dot.The bushnell mildot is inferior in many ways-wire reticule, very small mildots,no adj. parallax correction.

This does not mean it is a bad scope, though.Just not as well specified as the SS.I would say the lenses are of actual better quality and are optically the equal if not better than the SS.

It depends on what you are doing with it, what its sitting on and how much you want to spend.

I've bought both and both serve me well, but if i had to choose it would be the SS.

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I learned about the Super Sniper scopes about five years ago.  After doing my own research on them, I purchased one.

 

I have my SS10x42M mounted on a hybrid Remington 700P/AICS .308 caliber rifle in Leupold Mark 4 rings on a Leupold Mark 4 one-piece base.

 

Upon closer examination of my scope, prior to mounting it, I noticed a small sticker applied to the body identifying the manufacturer. 

 

My kudos to the wise folks at SWFA for picking up on the Super Sniper scope and making it available to those of us seeking a quality tactical optical instrument at a very affordable price as opposed to allowing ourselves to get caught up in the marketing hype of other companies offering more costly yet not superior scopes marked as tactical.

 

Iím eagerly awaiting the variable Super Snipe scopes. 

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