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BIG T
Optics GrassHopper Joined: January/03/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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Posted: August/16/2005 at 07:46 |
which is best I have a 7mm mag used mostly for deer hunting now the Question wich is best to sight in the scope at is it 1 1/2 " high at 100 yrds or would i be better at 3'' high at 100 yard using a 150 grain bullet how much drop will be out at 150 yrds or 200 yrds will both still be in the kill zone willit be high at say 5o yrds just some input before i go to the range so i know about what to expect. thanks for your input Big T |
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stubewan
Optics GrassHopper Joined: August/17/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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There are a lot of questions in your post. I would like to know the Manufacture of the Ammo, the velocity, the bullet being used, to give you an honest answer. What are your average hunting distances? Where are you hunting, woods, cut-overs, or fields? The more information the better..
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BIG T
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ammo is remington150grams coreloc not sure of the velocity distance vary from 40 yrds out to about 150 yrds hunt some woods area and some old strip jobs site just wanting to know can i hold dead on and not worring about missing i have never shoot my 7mm mag I have been hunting with a 308 but i wanted a flater shooting gun with more knock down power and i like the way the 7mm feel in my hand and there some elk in my area that we can hunt with our deer tag .so give me yours idea and opion is welcome . Thanks Big T
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Dale Clifford
Optics Jedi Knight Joined: July/04/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5087 |
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I would like to know why you are aiming high? 7 mags have essentially no drop out to 300yds. A inch low setting at 100 yards would be about 1/4 to 1/2 at 200 and about dead on at 300. 50 yard shots wouldn't be a problem with any setting. At 50 yards the 308 is a better gun--at that range almost any load from a 7 mag is going to give you alot of blood shot meat, leaving a good portion of the opposite impact area all over the local fauna and flora.
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BIG T
Optics GrassHopper Joined: January/03/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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Why high well i have read some article on the internet on sighting in the 7mm and a lot of them said to set the scope 3'' high at 100yrds i thought that was quite a bit for that caliber and i just wanted to see what they are thinking this gun is new to me not done a lot of study on the 7mm. yes i agree on the 308 for shoot at 50 yrds and i feel comfort with shot at 100 yrds with the 308 but the 7mm was a gift from the better half and i was planing on using it some this deer season but i dont want the big one to get away due to mis aligment of the scope i know what the 308 will do at different distance i guess i need to shoot the 7mm and buid some trust in it . Big T
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blsnelling
Optics Apprentice Joined: August/09/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 60 |
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This is from Chuckhawks.com.
"If a scoped 7mm Mag. rifle is zeroed to put a 150 grain Nosler Partition bullet at a MV of 3,110 fps 2.5 inches high at 100 yards, it will hit approximately 3 inches high at 150 yards, 2.3 inches high at 200 yards, and 3 inches low at 305 yards. In other words, that load has a maximum point blank range of 305 yards (+/- 3")." |
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blsnelling
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Here's the whole article.
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stubewan
Optics GrassHopper Joined: August/17/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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I could not have said it better, nor sent you to a better sight. Chuck Hawks, is a great writer and a great asset to the industry. I think that the 7 mag is a bit much for deer under 250 yards. My exerience has been great with the 7mm-08 at distances to 300 yards, However most of my hunting is 40- 150 yards, remember it's not the caliber, it's how well you can shoot it. Also, a Hornady light mag load for your 308 would kill any Elk at reasonables distances. If you reload, try a fail safe, scirrocco, or trophy bonded bear claw.
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BIG T
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Thanks for the infro. i am going to play with it for a while and learn the gun and different load I will keep the trusted 308 on hand for now !!! again thanks again Big T
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ranburr
Optics Master Joined: May/16/2004 Status: Offline Points: 1082 |
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The problem with Hawks is that he has never had a product that he didn't like. No matter how many times he has to send it back to the manufacturer. If I sent you a scope, gun, whatever, and it did not work. You sent it back to me and I replaced with another defective model and we did this three or four times until I sent you one that worked well. Would you tell everyone how great my products were and fail to mention how many bad units I had sent you? Chuck would and does. Take any of his reviews with a grain of salt. Consumer Reports he ain't.
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stubewan
Optics GrassHopper Joined: August/17/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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Reply: ranburr
You know, I can agree with some things that you say, Chuck is not consumer reports. However he does share alot of good unbiased information. I like the way that he can found something positive about any product. I did not know that he sold products. I have simply used his sight for reference and will encourage others to do so. I did notice that you are considered a optics professional, I would like to send folks to your website as well, for an unbiased opinion. Could you please forward me your website address.
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koshkin
MODERATOR Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13182 |
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I am subscribed to Chuck's website and I read his reviews regularly. They certainly provide a lot of useful information. However, in a few areas where I have some personal experience I certainly disagree with him, so I take his opinion with a grain or two of salt. He generally seems to be a bit out of his depth with optics. Well, maybe out of his depth is not a correct way of saying this. Let's just say that I would test them differently. Regardless, of that his site is a good starting point when researching a particular piece. There were some other things where I have some experience with and disagree with him on (like his take on 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R cartridges, for example, as well as nearly any formerly Eastern block creation; as much as I despise Soviet Union and everything it stood for, they had some expertise with military weapons and cartridges).
Well, that and various intentional and unintentional mistakes and typos annoy me. He charges money to read his articles. The least he could do is proofread them.
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Stud Duck
Optics Journeyman Joined: May/20/2005 Location: WV Status: Offline Points: 508 |
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I agree with ranburr, Chuck Hawks has never had a product that he didn't like. When I read a field test or a product review, I expect to hear the good, the bad and the ugly so I may make a well informed decision before plunking down my money.
I frequent his web site and read his articles.....it's a good place to get "technical information", but I do take his reviews with a grain of salt. I think it's great that the guy can find something positive to say about ALL the equipment he's tested (maybe the guy is just a flaming optimist ) but I feel that this misleads an individual that is looking for an HONEST review.
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TwoLaneBlackTop
Optics Apprentice Joined: June/02/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 52 |
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The cartridge reviews are my favorite part of his site. The areas I found that I
disagree with him are his bias against any communist block round like koshkin
already stated. I also disagree with his opinion on most 8mm (0.32) hunting
rounds, as I really like the old 8mm Mauser cartridge and Chuck's opinion of it
I think is wrong. And I think he overrates the 0.270 way to much, it's not a bad
round but I don't think of it as a great round when it is compared to other
cartridges.
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koshkin
MODERATOR Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13182 |
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I agree on 8mm. I think that modern 8x57 is one of the better allround big game rounds in many way similar to 30-06. I mostly shoot 200 grain bullets (Nosler Partition, Sierra Matchking, Speer Hot-Cor and I'll be trying Accubond soon) at 2500-2650fps depending on the bullet and the load.
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