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I have narrowed it down to these two scopes for my Winchester M70 Extreme Weather 270 WSM, let me know which of the two you would get and why. Thanks


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IMO the 3-9x40 is the Conquest to consider being smaller, lighter constant eye relief and more similar to the Z3.  Between the two I'd prefer whichever had the reticle I wanted.  Zeiss has better reticles IMO.  I'm a big Zeiss fan.  Outdoor writer John Barsness has well documented reliablility issues with 1" Swaro's holding zero on big kickers. 
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Swaro better glass Wider field of view, 30MM 1" tube I have been corrected. Old book shows a little more adjustment. +++

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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

Swaro better glass Wider field of view, 30MM tube more adjustment. +++
The Z3 is a 1" tube.
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Vote for Swarovski better glass and Mag range
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and feild of view
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If you can afford the Swarovski, go with it.  They are lighter than the Zeiss Conquests.  I have both and have put them on a scale.  The only reason I could see the choose the Conquest is if you need the 4" eye relief of the 3-9x40.  Otherwise, Swarovski all the way... 
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Z3 Swarovski all the way.  I own a 4x12x50mm and its the best scope that I have ever owned.  There is a nice Z3 on the sample list for sale right now that just came in the last day or two.  
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I don't think you will ever find yourself in a situation where if you had the zeiss you wouldn't be able to make a shot were as if you had had the swaro you would have been able to, that said the swaro will be a bit nicer in the glass department.  They are both great scopes though and both will serve you extremely well.

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IMO as a owner of a Conquest go with the other... Conquests are a poor value.
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Conquests are usually a very good value, although there is always some oddball out there whose requirements are so unusual that his comprehension of value is so skewed it is nearly incomprehensible.

That having been said, if you can afford a Swaro Z3, go with that.  It is a nicer scope.  If your budget does not allow it, it is hard to go wrong with a Conquest as well.

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Come on, just stating my opinion and experience I bought a 4.5x14 Conquest NIB for $700 for my wby at a gun show. It is a good scope no doubt but, NOT $700 good... I got ripped off my bad.
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Rustic, don't drive this thread off track.  IF you want to rant got to the anything goes section.
 
To the OP, you will find few, very few with the same thoughts at Rustic on the Conquest line.
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The op was asking for opinions I gave mine so be it. The other is clearly the better scope in every way.
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Originally posted by rustic rustic wrote:

Come on, just stating my opinion and experience I bought a 4.5x14 Conquest NIB for $700 for my wby at a gun show. It is a good scope no doubt but, NOT $700 good... I got ripped off my bad.

It is your prerogative to be happy or unhappy with your purchase and nobody here doubts that you have opinions to state.  However, since the overwhelming majority of people (based on several years worth of anecdotal evidence and on continued success of the Conquest line) who buy Conquest scope seem to be quite happy with them, I suspect your opinion is an anomaly.

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Exactly, you gave your opinion, so leave it at that, don't keep pounding on it.
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I stand corrected... I should have said ~ I bought a conquest NIB for $700 last year after using it I would not buy another and after the recent price hike makes them a worse value.

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I have a Conquest, and it is one of my favorite scopes. I will not deny that the swaro is slightly better than the Conquest. The question you have to answer is, is it $110.00 better than the Conquest, and do you have the cash to spend.
I think the Conquest would serve you well.
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Conquest owner here. 6.5-20x50, z-plex varmint reticle. Never owned a swaro. The zeiss to my eyes is beautiful glass. Can't image what spending more on a scope would bring to the table that the zeiss doesn't bring optically. Elevation adjustment IS lacking on the zeiss, I'll grant you that.
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Question to couple of you arguing the Conquest vs. Z3, have you actually ever compared them?
 
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I have both scopes.  Actually my Swaro 3-10X42 is the previous "AV" model, which is essentially the same scope as the Z3. 

Both are really nice scopes, each with their own set of virtues. 

To my eyes, the Swaro is a little better optically.  Whether or not the difference justifies the increased price is a question only the buyer can determine.  Everyone sees things differently.

The Swaro is 3 oz. lighter.

Between both company's plex style reticles, I prefer the Zeiss Z-Plex over the Swaro offering hands down.  IMHO, Z-Plex may be the best plex reticle I've seen.  Proportionally, it's just about perfect to my way of thinking.  The outer posts are sufficiently thick for good visibility in low light, the inner crosshairs are sufficiently thin for precision shooting, and I think the spacing between the thick posts in the center is perfect. 

The Conquest is less expensive.

Both have tracked well and held zero for me.

I like the view through the Swaro better, but it's a sight, not a binocular.  I like the price and the reticle choices of the Conquest better.  To me, it's a coin toss.
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Doug,
 
I have owned models from both lines, and used several other conquest models.  I think conquests offer tremendous value throughout the range, especially the 3-9X40, even with the bump in price. 

However, the Z3 is better all-around, and I have compared the 4.5-14 Conquest to the 4-12X50 Z3.  I had my 4-12X50 on the 300 RUM without any issues in maintaining zero whatsoever.  I now have some Horus Vision CAT calibration targets and I will be doing tracking tests on the Z3 soon.
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I own multiples of each.  Both great scopes.  Zeiss has better reticles and Swaro is lighter.  Swaro may have slightly better glass but I don't see it in normal use.  Haven't done a side by side in low light but I assume the Swaro will be a bit better.
 
I wish we could get the Z4 here in the states.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:



Question to couple of you arguing the Conquest vs. Z3, have you actually ever compared them?
 





I have never owned a z3 looked through several shot a few owned by friends on a pd towns.
IMO the z3 seems to me a better scope and value than a Conquest.
The Z3 ~ is lighter /more compact ~ does not have plastic turret caps ~ a dial option ~ better fit and finish ~ better resale ~ simpler reticle ~ from what I understand better CS\warranty ~ I am told better glass.
These things more than make up for $100+ difference.

The op asked which of these two would you buy/pick??

IMO the price payed for a Conquest is a bit steep for what I received.

I never said/thought a Conquest as being nothing less than a good scope just... there are better valued scopes available. Again, the op listed two scopes conquest and z3 asking the thoughts/opinions of the forum.


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