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Hi all, new guy on the forum here.  I have recently bought a new toy, Rem 700 375 H&H,  I have 2 scopes I can put on it with quick release rings.  I have a Leupy VX1 3-9 and a Bushnell 3200 elite 3-9x40.  The bushy is alittle shorter scope and looks better I think. 
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the leupold has more eye relief but the 3200 has way better glass
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Trade them both in for a VX-2 or 3 and don't worry about how it looks... Think 2-7x33 or the 1.75-6whatever.  Get stuff lapped in to
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Originally posted by tpdoff tpdoff wrote:

Hi all, new guy on the forum here.  I have recently bought a new toy, Rem 700 375 H&H,  I have 2 scopes I can put on it with quick release rings.  I have a Leupy VX1 3-9 and a Bushnell 3200 elite 3-9x40.  The bushy is alittle shorter scope and looks better I think. 
..................Which scope you ask???......NEITHER ONE! Thumbs%20Down
 
Several reasons:
 
#1)... Do you plan to hunt dangerous game at short to moderate ranges? If you do, then all 3x9`s (with the exception of a 3x9 Trijicon), do not have the quicker target acquisition and aiming speed (both eyes open aiming), like the lower powered variables do. You must close your non aiming eye, which increases your time in acquiring the target..... NOT a good idea to have a scope that slows a hunter down just in case of a life threatening situation. No matter how remote the chances, it only takes once to lose a life! A faster scope that sends a faster signal to the brain, which decreases the reaction and acquiring time is so much better!
 
#2) The 3x9`s have reduced FOV`s, which also along with closing one eye, increases your time to react, acquire and aim, which also slows one down. Not a good idea for dangerous game. (Even though the 3x9 Trijicon has less FOV vs lower powered variables, it nevertheless is a much quicker scope). 
 
#3) 3x9`s are heavier by several ounces and have higher profiles.
 
#4) The Bushnell 3200 has a shorter eye relief, a little too short for a 375, while the quality of the VX1 optically, is towards the lower end of the Leupold totem pole.
 
If you don`t plan on hunting dangerous game, or do much hunting in closer cover, then a good quality, well built 3x9 scope with good optics and good eye relief (at least 3.5"), is ok, though not my 1st choice for a 375.
 
A dangerous game rifle (DGR), should be nice and quick. The wrong scope will slow things down and can be dangerous. 
 
I`d go with a straight tube lower powered variable, like a 1-4x20 VX2, the 1.5x5x20 VX3, the straight tubed lower variable Sightron Big Sky. A scope along those lines offer better speed, better FOV`s, lighter weight, lower profile (no obj. bells) and makes your rifle look like what it`s suppose to be,,,A DGR!
 
A 4x to 5x on the high end, regardless of terrain, is more than sufficient for any game and at any distances from where you`d normally take game using a 375 to begin with.
 
I have a 1.5-5x20 VX3 that sits on top of my 20" tubed .375 Ruger Alaskan...You wanna talk about some speed in acquring, aiming and firing?? Wink
 
Keep your rifle as fast handling as possible!
 
 
 
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That is good advice.
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Awsome!  Hey thanks for advice,  I have begun looking at some other scopes that fit that bill.  So many to choose from.  I love the VX3's thought. 
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 Looks .... man .... looks is the last thing anyone should be worrying about in a scope and these dumb posts of " it weighs 3 ounces more than the other one " what limp wristed guy is going to worry about weight in mere ounces ???? I never in my life went to a firearms fashion show . I usually keep my mouth shut on those posts ... but it's useage and dependability . Purrrrrty is not what you want .  FUNCTION and RELIABILITY in all ares . And I agree with Squeeze totally  " Keep your rifle as fast handling as possible! "  and functional ... not purrrty ! The leupolds are overpriced .... but if that's what you like and want ... buy it .

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I think a 375 H&H would be great with a scope if you were going to go bear hunting or elk hunting with it.  But if you're going to have a dangerous, man-killing creature rush out at you from 38 feet away you will wish you had a SHOTGUN!!  For cape buffalo use iron sights and get within 150 yards.....and use a .416 or something...
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Originally posted by tpdoff tpdoff wrote:

Awsome!  Hey thanks for advice,  I have begun looking at some other scopes that fit that bill.  So many to choose from.  I love the VX3's thought. 
..................In the lower powered DGR variables, Leupold offers the best scope selection along with a variety of reticle selections.............For your .375 imo, the 1.5-5x20 VX3 with the German #4 reticle (my scope), would be the best choice in the Leupold line. That 1.5-5 variable magnification, its good FOV`s, with the #4 reticle is ideal for a .375 H&H.........The #4 is a very fast acquiring reticle, which is considered by many to be the best hunting reticle as well.
 
The 1.75-5 Burris Sig. Select Safaris would also fill the bill as a DGR scope. But their FOV`s are not as wide as the VX3`s and they may not have, due to their obj. bells, enough mounting tube length as the straight tubed scopes do needed for a long action H&H.......Off-setting rings look horrible in my view, which you would need, IF your mounting tube length isn`t long enough or barely fits.........On a DGR, especially ones with longer actions, a longer mounting tube length is just another advantage that the straight tubed scopes have over the obj. belled scopes............
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I hear ya,  I'm not totally looking for a scope just for it's looks.  I'm aware of needing a scope of quality and dependability.  A trip to africa isn't out of the question, I know a fella from Africa and his father owns land there.  Of course that is once and a lifetime probably trip, so if I use it here in the good ol USofA, will probably be with my uncle in Wyoming black bear and Elk hunting.  For the most part It's mainly a toy,  have just to have it.  I'm not sure if this will help with scope selection or not,  perhaps 2 scopes for it,  one for DGR side of it and one when I head to the mountains??? 
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Hey, Whatcha all think about the Bushnell 4200 1.25-4?
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

I think a 375 H&H would be great with a scope if you were going to go bear hunting or elk hunting with it.  But if you're going to have a dangerous, man-killing creature rush out at you from 38 feet away you will wish you had a SHOTGUN!!  For cape buffalo use iron sights and get within 150 yards.....and use a .416 or something...
....TPDOFF!................Please excuse my esteemed postin collegue Mr. Ed!  BanditoBanditoBandito ......Smoking????...........  I`ll respectfully dis-agree!
 
Iron sites out to 150 yards??? Iron sites out to maybe 75 to 85 yards tops for assurance of a good vitals hit!!!.......A shotgun??? A shotgun, unless fired from damn near point blank range, will more than likely wound and piss off a big bear more, rather than kill him,,,,,,IN TIME!..... That`s the difference! Will it be,,,,,IN TIME!!
 
Any professionally guided dangerous game hunt, whether it be for the big bears, bison, or any dangerous African game, the PH`s will always bring along as back up, unscoped rifles in case of a charge. That does not mean that you shouldn`t use a scope. The right scope!
 
A scope insures a good FIRST hit to begin with, so that a charge will be less likely to occur in the first place. If so, then you have the back-ups just in case they are needed.
 
A .375 is very capable of taking a big bear beyond 100-150 yards. If there is no opportunity to get closer, take a shot with just the iron sites?? I don`t think so!
 
Contrary to what some may believe, the RIGHT scope with some practice, is just as fast as the iron sites are by themselves, even in an emergency. If someone says different, then they are not experienced enough, or they have not practiced enough with the right scope to know better.
 
Well, I have practiced and I am very experienced when it comes to that dept.Thunbs%20Up
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I agree, with irons sights you have to line up 3 things to make a hit.  With a scope it is only two.  And at 150 yards irons can cover up way to much of the target.  Not saying it can't be done, but why handicap yourself when you can use a scope.  I don't agree that irons are faster either.  I know for a fact for me a 1x scope is considerably easier for me to get on target quickly that trying to line up two sights and the target.  No comparison.

With a Shotgun even if you get a rifled barrel and shoot slugs all you have is an inaccurate rifle, what is the point. 
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Originally posted by tpdoff tpdoff wrote:

Hey, Whatcha all think about the Bushnell 4200 1.25-4?
.............Getting alot better there! It has excellent FOV`s and would be very quick to the target! The only drawback to the 4200 is its shorter eye relief. Will it be enough for you sitting on a .375???
 
I had a 3x9 4200 as a temporary set up on my Alaskan until I got my 1.5-5x20 VX3. I was never scope whacked. But that was me. The 4200`s eye relief  may not work for you or be enough!
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

I`ll respectfully dis-agree!
 

Iron sites out to 150 yards??? Iron sites out to maybe 75 to 85 yards tops for assurance of a good vitals hit!!!.......A shotgun??? A shotgun, unless fired from damn near point blank range, will more than likely wound and piss off a big bear more, rather than kill him,,,,,,IN TIME!..... That`s the difference! Will it be,,,,,IN TIME!!

 

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Any professionally guided dangerous game hunt, whether it be for the big bears, bison, or any dangerous African game, the PH`s will always bring along as back up, unscoped rifles in case of a charge. That does not mean that you shouldn`t use a scope. The right scope!

 

A scope insures a good FIRST hit to begin with, so that a charge will be less likely to occur in the first place. If so, then you have the back-ups just in case they are needed.

 

A .375 is very capable of taking a big bear beyond 100-150 yards. If there is no opportunity to get closer, take a shot with just the iron sites?? I don`t think so!

 

Contrary to what some may believe, the RIGHT scope with some practice, is just as fast as the iron sites are by themselves, even in an emergency. If someone says different, then they are not experienced enough, or they have not practiced enough with the right scope to know better.

 

Well, I have practiced and I am very experienced when it comes to that dept.Thunbs%20Up

Well, guess I'll have to respectfully disagree with YOU, Big Squeeze.
I too have practiced and have experience, and I CAN shoot with iron sights at much further than 150yds. MUCH further.   While I would not be using a 375, I WOULD take the shot at a big bear beyond 150.
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Originally posted by tpdoff tpdoff wrote:

I hear ya,  I'm not totally looking for a scope just for it's looks.  I'm aware of needing a scope of quality and dependability.  A trip to africa isn't out of the question, I know a fella from Africa and his father owns land there.  Of course that is once and a lifetime probably trip, so if I use it here in the good ol USofA, will probably be with my uncle in Wyoming black bear and Elk hunting.  For the most part It's mainly a toy,  have just to have it.  I'm not sure if this will help with scope selection or not,  perhaps 2 scopes for it,  one for DGR side of it and one when I head to the mountains??? 
............No need to have 2 scopes for your 375! Why?.......Whether you`re in timber, out on the open plains, in the mountains or where-ever, the 5x on the high end is enough magnification for a 375! A 300 to 400 yard shot on a deer, elk or moose?......NO problem with a high end 5x.
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Well, guess I'll have to respectfully disagree with YOU, Big Squeeze.
I too have practiced and have experience, and I CAN shoot with iron sights at much further than 150yds. MUCH further.   While I would not be using a 375, I WOULD take the shot at a big bear beyond 150.


I do agree that you can make hits at 150+ easily with irons.  I can hit a man sized target at 400 yards nearly everytime with my AR with irons.  It is all about the training.  But I do not believe they are faster than a 1x scope or dot
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

I`ll respectfully dis-agree!
 

Iron sites out to 150 yards??? Iron sites out to maybe 75 to 85 yards tops for assurance of a good vitals hit!!!.......A shotgun??? A shotgun, unless fired from damn near point blank range, will more than likely wound and piss off a big bear more, rather than kill him,,,,,,IN TIME!..... That`s the difference! Will it be,,,,,IN TIME!!

 

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Any professionally guided dangerous game hunt, whether it be for the big bears, bison, or any dangerous African game, the PH`s will always bring along as back up, unscoped rifles in case of a charge. That does not mean that you shouldn`t use a scope. The right scope!

 

A scope insures a good FIRST hit to begin with, so that a charge will be less likely to occur in the first place. If so, then you have the back-ups just in case they are needed.

 

A .375 is very capable of taking a big bear beyond 100-150 yards. If there is no opportunity to get closer, take a shot with just the iron sites?? I don`t think so!

 

Contrary to what some may believe, the RIGHT scope with some practice, is just as fast as the iron sites are by themselves, even in an emergency. If someone says different, then they are not experienced enough, or they have not practiced enough with the right scope to know better.

 

Well, I have practiced and I am very experienced when it comes to that dept.Thunbs%20Up

Well, guess I'll have to respectfully disagree with YOU, Big Squeeze.
I too have practiced and have experience, and I CAN shoot with iron sights at much further than 150yds. MUCH further.   While I would not be using a 375, I WOULD take the shot at a big bear beyond 150.
............You go right ahead then!... Shooting longer ranges with just iron sites is one thing. Properly hitting the vitals to insure an ethically humane kill is quite another.....I`m sure you  have had some good experiences with just using the iron sites and have killed humanely and ethically..........But certainly you would agree that using a scope, offers much better assurance or insurance of better or more precise hits a much greater percentage of the time???.....
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Boy, would I love a Swarovski, however, a $2k dollar scope is way, I mean way out of my price range,  I was lucky the wife let me have the Rifle, which was half the price of either of those scopes.  Is there any difference in scopes that say for shotgun,  I saw the Nikon Monarch 1.5-4.5 x20 UCC scope.  Would this work?  I know I'm nit picking, I'm just trying to find the best scope that the wife will let me afford after just buying the rifle. 
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Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Big Squeeze Big Squeeze wrote:

I`ll respectfully dis-agree!
 

Iron sites out to 150 yards??? Iron sites out to maybe 75 to 85 yards tops for assurance of a good vitals hit!!!.......A shotgun??? A shotgun, unless fired from damn near point blank range, will more than likely wound and piss off a big bear more, rather than kill him,,,,,,IN TIME!..... That`s the difference! Will it be,,,,,IN TIME!!

 
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Any professionally guided dangerous game hunt, whether it be for the big bears, bison, or any dangerous African game, the PH`s will always bring along as back up, unscoped rifles in case of a charge. That does not mean that you shouldn`t use a scope. The right scope!

 

A scope insures a good FIRST hit to begin with, so that a charge will be less likely to occur in the first place. If so, then you have the back-ups just in case they are needed.

 

A .375 is very capable of taking a big bear beyond 100-150 yards. If there is no opportunity to get closer, take a shot with just the iron sites?? I don`t think so!

 

Contrary to what some may believe, the RIGHT scope with some practice, is just as fast as the iron sites are by themselves, even in an emergency. If someone says different, then they are not experienced enough, or they have not practiced enough with the right scope to know better.

 

Well, I have practiced and I am very experienced when it comes to that dept.Thunbs%20Up
Well, guess I'll have to respectfully disagree with YOU, Big Squeeze. I too have practiced and have experience, and I CAN shoot with iron sights at much further than 150yds. MUCH further.   While I would not be using a 375, I WOULD take the shot at a big bear beyond 150.
............You go right ahead then!... Shooting longer ranges with just iron sites is one thing. Properly hitting the vitals to insure an ethically humane kill is quite another.....I`m sure you  have had some good experiences with just using the iron sites and have killed humanely and ethically..........But certainly you would agree that using a scope, offers much better assurance or insurance of better or more precise hits a much greater percentage of the time???.....

Yes sir. I won't disagree with you that if a scope weren't generally a better choice, we would not be spending such big bucks for them. Having been a long range iron sight shooter, I can say with conviction that in MOST cases, I would prefer to have a scope. But, I don't want to let the open sight shooting die, and still enjoy testing myself with the "irons' every now and then.
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Originally posted by tpdoff tpdoff wrote:

Boy, would I love a Swarovski, however, a $2k dollar scope is way, I mean way out of my price range,  I was lucky the wife let me have the Rifle, which was half the price of either of those scopes.  Is there any difference in scopes that say for shotgun,  I saw the Nikon Monarch 1.5-4.5 x20 UCC scope.  Would this work?  I know I'm nit picking, I'm just trying to find the best scope that the wife will let me afford after just buying the rifle. 
....................Yes! It would work!.....But since you`re on a budget constraint, I have another better idea and a lesser expensive one too.
 
A 1-3x20 Weaver V3 @ $150 bucks!..........Its listed eye relief is 3.12" which is wrong! It`s actually 4" on the 1x and 3.5" set on the 3x! I and a friend measured.
 
87' FOV on 1x @ 100 yards. I have used this scope mounted on a friend`s rifle and it is extremely fast, if not more so than my own Leupy.
 
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Set on 3x, just like the 5x with the others, the 3x is enough for deer sized game and larger out to 300-400 yards. If you are concerned with a 3x being to low, take your VX1 or your 3200 then go outside and pick some distant 200 to 400 yard targets and compare the target differences to your eye with the setting on 3x and then the settings on 4.5x to 5x........Not a big difference there!
 
I have read many reviews on a competitor site, where this little scope has been used successfully on anything from big bored levers up to the 375`s and larger in Africa. All were a 5 star rating for the V3. Handling 375 recoil will be no problem for this scope!.....Check out the reviews ratings for yourself!
 
Excellent value for $150..............
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Well, it sure doesn't take much to get you all confused and bumfuzzled.  "What a bunch of gringos!" Bandito
 
You all have misrepresented everything I said so badly that I can't even remember what I said---I had to go back and read it again to make sure I wasn't going schizophrenic!  Loco
 
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If a man wants a 375 H&H to hunt stuff OTHER THAN cape buffaloes ( which I wouldn't want to try to stop a charge with a 375....) Put a scope on it.  Whatever, get some use out of the gun. Shoot mulies with it.  Whatever.  It doesn't HAVE to be a DANGEROUS GAME SCOPE for elk or bear--unless you just want to do that....
 
[ Incidentally, I have not seen one---but I hope to God that Burris would make a SAFARI SCOPE in a long enough tube.....can they be too stupid to do that??]
 
About the "shotgun" remark......I said if you got charged by something 38 feet away you would wish you had a shotgun.......IN OTHER WORDS You would wish your rifle HANDLED like a shotgun!!!   You don't need a scope to shoot a cape buffalo in the nose at eleven feet!  You don't need a scope to hit a cape buffalo at 100 yards.  You would want to point it and shoot him in the snout.....I would want a ghost ring, myself....  And , of course, if I was after buffaloes, I would have something BIG----404, 416, 458, etc.   
 
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

Well, it sure doesn't take much to get you all confused and bumfuzzled.  "What a bunch of gringos!" Bandito
 
You all have misrepresented everything I said so badly that I can't even remember what I said---I had to go back and read it again to make sure I wasn't going schizophrenic!  Loco
 
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If a man wants a 375 H&H to hunt stuff OTHER THAN cape buffaloes ( which I wouldn't want to try to stop a charge with a 375....) Put a scope on it.  Whatever, get some use out of the gun. Shoot mulies with it.  Whatever.  It doesn't HAVE to be a DANGEROUS GAME SCOPE for elk or bear--unless you just want to do that....
 
[ Incidentally, I have not seen one---but I hope to God that Burris would make a SAFARI SCOPE in a long enough tube.....can they be too stupid to do that??]
 
About the "shotgun" remark......I said if you got charged by something 38 feet away you would wish you had a shotgun.......IN OTHER WORDS You would wish your rifle HANDLED like a shotgun!!!   You don't need a scope to shoot a cape buffalo in the nose at eleven feet!  You don't need a scope to hit a cape buffalo at 100 yards.  You would want to point it and shoot him in the snout.....I would want a ghost ring, myself....  And , of course, if I was after buffaloes, I would have something BIG----404, 416, 458, etc.   
 
Bucky
 
 
..................... OH!....OK!!!!!...I gots it now!.....But! I didn`t see the word "handled" within your original shotgun statement,,, YOU PENCHE GRINGO YOU!!BanditoBanditoBanditoBuckyBuckyBucky........ I read it right!...YOU just didn`t clarify!!HowdyHowdyHowdyHowdy...........No! I don`t need a scope to hit a big target like a buffalo @ 100 yards. But with one, I will have the assurance that I won`t miss by properly placing the shot...........If push came to shove between scoping a 375 vs not scoping a 375,,,,,, I`ll scope!!.....BUT! It is critical that the right scope be used for the dangerous stuff!...CoolCoolCoolCoolCool
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