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I'm looking for a Scope for my Savage .308 just for paper punching nothing else.
I've came up with the two i like,
Nikon  8-32x50 Monarch Around $680
or the Nightforce 8-32x56 Around $1600
I will be shooting from 200-900+ yards as i get better at range.
I guess my questions are, is the Nightforce worth the extra money over the cheaper Nikon? and is the nikon quality that far behind the nightforce?
I don't mind spending the money on the nightforce but i don't want to waste money either, views, options welcome.
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I think the question you need to ask yourself is......
"How serious do I want to get??"
 
Yes, the NF is a superior scope optically, mechanically and the reticle selection that they offer trumps the Nikon in spades.
 
The Monarch is trying to be become what the NXS already is.
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+1.  Those two scopes are in different leagues.  If you want a target scope, get a target scope.  NF is simply better for that application than the Monarch.  It has an awesome selection of reticles that are perfect for the intended purpose, the adjustments are rugged and precise, and it is a very good scope optically.  In my opinion, it is worth the difference in price, but real value all depends on your budget and how serious you are.
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Other scope to consider along those same lines are Sightron S3 8-32x56, Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5-30x50 and IOR 9-35x56

To answer the original question, Nightforce is a better scope, but whether it is worth the extra money is a personal question. 

Nightforce has a nice selection of reticles and, mechanically, Nightforce scopes are beyond reproach: as good as anything else out there at any price.

Optically, while Nightforce scopes are very good, I would not automatically assume that it is substantially better than the 8-32x50 Monarch.  I have not compared these two side by side, since the Nikon is very new, but I've played with a few of Nightforce scopes and their optics while very respectable are not head and shoulder above scopes like Elite 4200 and Monarch.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Optically, while Nightforce scopes are very good, I would not automatically assume that it is substantially better than the 8-32x50 Monarch.  I have not compared these two side by side, since the Nikon is very new, but I've played with a few of Nightforce scopes and their optics while very respectable are not head and shoulder above scopes like Elite 4200 and Monarch.

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I think the NF will be the better scope at higher magnifications.
True, I haven't had the new Monarch in question and a NF side by side, I did have a friends Night Force Bench Rest and my old 6.5-20x Monarch side by side, and I felt the NF was  flat out better and cut mirage better. It was a very hot summer day. I think the new Monarchs glass quality is about the same as the old UCC Monarchs too, but I may be wrong.
 
Koshkin, I think you stated once that you felt the new Monarchs had better resolution??
 
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I'll have to second what the Dark one has stated here. I personally would look at the IOR, they are very nice for the money and a great reticle.
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 Well go figger .... one costs 250 % more than the other ... it better have something more going for it !!  For $1,600.00 there's alot of paper punchers out there . That's like comparing a $ 40.00 scope  and asking " is it as good as a 4200 ....   Quickie 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Optically, while Nightforce scopes are very good, I would not automatically assume that it is substantially better than the 8-32x50 Monarch.  I have not compared these two side by side, since the Nikon is very new, but I've played with a few of Nightforce scopes and their optics while very respectable are not head and shoulder above scopes like Elite 4200 and Monarch.

ILya
 
I think the NF will be the better scope at higher magnifications.
True, I haven't had the new Monarch in question and a NF side by side, I did have a friends Night Force Bench Rest and my old 6.5-20x Monarch side by side, and I felt the NF was  flat out better and cut mirage better. It was a very hot summer day. I think the new Monarchs glass quality is about the same as the old UCC Monarchs too, but I may be wrong.
 
Koshkin, I think you stated once that you felt the new Monarchs had better resolution??
 
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The new Monarch in 8-32x50 configuration has ED glass in it (a first for Nikon scope and one of the first ones for any scope) which was clearly designed to help at high magnifications.  I only looked at it over at SHOT, but it did look good. 

Either way, I am not saying that the Nikon is better than the Nightforce.  I am just saying that the optics in the Nightforce are not as good as the price would suggest.  Nightforce designers have really put an emphasis on mechanical excellence and that is their strength.

ILya
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DOH!!!
That's right, I forgot about the ED glass. Bucky 
Good point, your Evilness!!    
 
 
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Thanks for you're views/ideas and reply's,i guess what im asking is that i don't want to be dissapointed in a scope that i buy, money or performance.
You could go crazy thinking of scopes to much!
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Originally posted by Average Joe Average Joe wrote:

.....You could go crazy thinking of scopes to much!
Whatever Well lets hope not.
 
How much money do you want to spend because there are other options ranging from the $299. Super Sniper in a fixed 10x or 16x or 20x which is a really fun scope and quite a bargain.  There are others like say a
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I've got a budget of $1,500-$2,000 inc base and rings,im a lover of quality and like to buy things that last with a good warranty/customer service.You're all giving me good ideas so far, thanks
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Did you make a purchase? If so which one? I have just purchased the Nikon 8-32 x 50 and waiting to recieve it. I have a Tikka T3 Tactical in .308 that I will be using in the same fashion
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Try the Docter 8-25x50 I have it mounted on my Remington 700 LTR 308.Nice Optics at under $1000.00 It is brighter than my Nikon Monarch and Leupold VXIII in low light.
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Just sighted in my Nikon 8-32x50 on my Tikka T3 Tactical .308. With just a normal bore sight it was in the 9 ring. The last 5 shot group was sub 1/2 MOA with 3 rounds 1/4 MOA. This is the 1st time for me with a scope of this power and I was very pleased using shoot + see targets no spotting scope was needed.
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Originally posted by branson1369 branson1369 wrote:

Just sighted in my Nikon 8-32x50 on my Tikka T3 Tactical .308. With just a normal bore sight it was in the 9 ring. The last 5 shot group was sub 1/2 MOA with 3 rounds 1/4 MOA. This is the 1st time for me with a scope of this power and I was very pleased using shoot + see targets no spotting scope was needed.
 
Pics forthcoming? Wink
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got pics any idea how to attach?
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I mounted a Bushnell 6-24x40 on my 308 Savage 12BVSS. At 100 yrd there is not problem seeing the holes and the sight picture is fantastic. At 300 yrds magnification and clarity are not a problem, I can still call the shot but at 24x mirage gets to be an issue on a hot calm day.
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Should have noted that it was the 4200. The rifle and scope are way better than I am. Have a couple of 0.25" 5-shot groups with FGMM. Have also tried TAP and Black Hills ammo. The FGMM shoots best for me.
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