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hi all, I am some what new to the sport of hunting, however i have been shooting on and off for the better part of my 20 years on this earth. This season coming up will be my second season of hunting, my question is, which rifle and caliber would best suit my situations. I hunt anything from deer to moose and anything in between. Ive been doing much research and have narrowed it down to 3 rifles and 2 calibers. Browning X-Bolt Medallion, Remington Model 700 CDL and the Sako 85 classic. The calibers i have been most interested in are 7mm rem. mag and 300 win mag. Any input of past experience would be much appreciated. Also, if it really makes a difference i do all my hunting in Mid west Alberta Canada.  
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Don't over look the 30-06, even though its over a 100 years it still is the most popular big game hunting round available.  Though there are more specialized calibers available, you wont find a more universal caliber than the 06,... let the battle begin.

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Between the two you listed, I'll always choose a .308 caliber over a .284, even though the .280 is my favorite round.
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I'd get the Sako in .300 wm.
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I would chose the 300 win mag. The 7mm could do what you want but might be a little to small for some of the bigger game (bear and moose). As far as the rifle flip a coin.......
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  WELCOME to OT, K.I.A!!
 
  What brand rifles chambered in what cartridges do you have experience with?
 
 
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  WELCOME to OT, K.I.A!!
 

  What brand rifles chambered in what cartridges do you have experience with?

 

 


Took the words right outa my mouth.
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Go for the gusto... get a Ruger #1 in .458 Lott.  

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Originally posted by swtucker swtucker wrote:

I'd get the Sako in .300 wm.
 
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one thing you may want to consider is that the .300win mag can generate substantial recoil. i love my browning abolt .300win mag. very accurate round for sure, and quite capable of taking all the game you listed. the 7mag is also capable of taking all the game you want to hunt. put the right good quality 160-175gr bullet in the 7mag and it will take moose too. i dont know anything about the sako85 personally, the xbolt i have played with some and its nice. i like the m700cdl's.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Go for the gusto... get a Ruger #1 in .458 Lott.  


"guaranteed to knock down anything that walks on the planet"...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Go for the gusto... get a Ruger #1 in .458 Lott.  


"guaranteed to knock down anything that walks on the planet"...

whatever chuck norris would catch that .458 bullet eat it and sh*t copper nails!Laugh
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Sako 85 in .338 Federal for $700 NIB.  Can't go wrong with that, I love mine.

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Go for the gusto... get a Ruger #1 in .458 Lott.  


"guaranteed to knock down anything that walks on the planet"...

whatever chuck norris would catch that .458 bullet eat it and sh*t copper nails!Laugh


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300 Win Mag for the caliber.  Love mine.  Don't really have much experience with any of those rifles, so I won't comment for now.
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Of the three rifles you list, you go with the one that looks the best, handles the best, that has the best action and has the best overall features you`re looking for. Either are very good rifles. For example, if you`re the elegant, glossy wood type and consider that a top priority, the Browning Medallion should get the most consideration.
 
As to the cartridge.... I owned and reloaded a 300 Win Mag for over 34 years. OK! I`m a little biased towards an `ol friend! Regardless, it happens to be now, has been over the last 40+ years, and still is, the best selling 30 cal magnum on the planet. 
 
Although the 7mm Rem mag will be sufficient for all the game you mention, you cannot beat the bullet weight versatility of the 30 cal (110 gr to 220 gr) to adapt for any N/A game, African plains game and for any terrain and the usual hunting distances. With the exception of dangerous African game where a .375 is the minimum, the 300 Winny makes for an outstanding 30 caliber choice.
 
If recoil isn`t an issue, the 300 Win is an excellent choice. If you feel that recoil may be an issue, remember that this cartridge can be "loaded down" very effectively and accurately to approximate 30-06 levels.
 
My vote on this one, goes to the 300 Win.
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.308/300 mag & REM 700...thats my 2 cents..just cant beat the lock up of a 700.

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Remmington makes the R5 mil spec stainless in a 300 WM ( a tad heavy for hunting)  I have one in a .308 and would love to have the twin in 300 WM.  Super Accurate!!!  The Sako extractor is exceptional and the older model 75 I believe is prefered to the new 85 and A7.  I like the look and feel of the stainless A7 and it has a moa guarantee as does its brother the TIKKA which shares the extractor at several hundred less and a top value cost wise. I had a Browning .375 H&H and the Browning never would group, so that burned me on Brownings however I do love the
 .375 H&HThunbs Up as a caliber and believe it to be a better choice for the first several hundred yards, (not as good as a .458 LottEek but a lot less punishing).  The .338 Win MagThunbs Up is an extremely popular Alaska Cartridge and should recieve at least some consideration - many think it ideal for the larger than deer size game, and it tends to retain energy very well at long range.   Nix or the 7magThumbs Down for really big critters, bigger slower bullets tend to penetrate while hyper velocity bullets tend to fragment, not that a 7mag couldnt be used with nosler partitions but Id rather have more bullet and like I said I really really like .375 H&H especially for stuff that hunts you back.  As noted early on the 30-06 is   capable and ammo easy to find and quite affordabe as in about three or four boxes for the price of one 300 WM and only about 300 ft per second slower.  Buy stainless with composite stock.
 
If you can afford a Kimber Montana  .338 Win Mag that would be my first choice in a hunting rifle for larger than deer game.  This would last you a lifetime and really be the correct choice.  The .338WM  is quite capable of turning a Grizzley into a rug.
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  If I were starting over again as far as getting my first centerfire rifle,now knowing  that I could get by with just one,I'd be taking a serious look at this:(click on specs to)
 
     
  
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My true best all around is 30-06.  It has a very wide range of available COTS ammo and has enough ooomph to be used on anything on North America with the proper bullets.  The 30-06 with 220gr bullet will easily take any North American game out to further than you want to shoot.  At 200 yards, it is quite effective.  The .338's certainly are more powerful, but also much more expensive to shoot, as is the .375.  I like the 7mm's for long range shooting and have some 175gr hand loads for my STW which perform very well... once again, much more expensive to shoot.  
You've been given some very good information in this thread.  Now you have to sort it out and decide what you want to carry with you and what you expect to encounter... and how much you want to spend in becoming proficient with it and maintaining that skill.  Shooting must be practiced regularly, so, at least for me, cost of ammo is an issue.  While a .22 is great for skills training, you still have to spend some time with the big bangers to keep the "edge" and to know the performance of the rifle.  I think trying to go to one all around rifle is an excellent idea, but it is not an easy decision.  I've used the .458's exclusively the last couple of years, but have only truly hunted deer with the Lott.  I like it very much, but really don't recommend it for general use.  It takes a certain twisted mindset to want to hunt regularly with that rifle.  
As for types of rifles... I haven't seen one recommended which won't serve you well for as long as you maintain it and want to shoot with it.  
Choose wisely...
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Unless you're planning on hunting the big bears your calibre choices are fine along with the 30.06 suggestion.  As others have suggested some will recoil more than others so may depend on your tolerance and experience.  All are nice rifles but you really need to handle all to see what feels most comfortable in your hands.
 
Moose hurt pretty easy and don't forget that in Finland they are often hunted with the old 6.5x55 so don't worry about being undergunned with your choices.
 
Don't try to fit all possible combinations with 1 rifle now.  You have time ahead of you and collecting guns is a great pastime!
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thanks all for the input. Very good information. I went to the local gun shop today and held and asked a few questions to the staff. Now disregarding some of the staffs sales BS, i really liked the feel of Rem. M700 CDL, really loved the looks and how it felt coming up to my shoulder, however i believe that the trigger pull is set to about 7 pounds, which im not really a big fan of but i guess that's an easy fix for a gun smith.

For the caliber choice i never really considered 30-06, so i think im going to do more reasearch on that. Thanks all.
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Originally posted by K.I.A. K.I.A. wrote:

thanks all for the input. Very good information. I went to the local gun shop today and held and asked a few questions to the staff. Now disregarding some of the staffs sales BS, i really liked the feel of Rem. M700 CDL, really loved the looks and how it felt coming up to my shoulder, however i believe that the trigger pull is set to about 7 pounds, which im not really a big fan of but i guess that's an easy fix for a gun smith.

For the caliber choice i never really considered 30-06, so i think im going to do more reasearch on that. Thanks all.

the m700 trigger is easily adjusted, just keep that in mind. i really like my m700cdl too. my trigger is set at about 3.5lbs.

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  The CDL fits ya?  That priority one.
 
  Ever shot a .30-06,K.I.A.?
 
  Thunbs Up   Thunbs Up on your CDL,pyro!!!!!!   NICE wood!
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  The CDL fits ya?  That priority one.
 
  Ever shot a .30-06,K.I.A.?
 
  Thunbs Up   Thunbs Up on your CDL,pyro!!!!!!   NICE wood!
 
Yep, nice stick Pyro.
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