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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/16/2012 at 21:06
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Trying to decide between the Zeiss and Leupold.  Savage .270, deer hunting in low light conditions.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/16/2012 at 21:16
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Personally i would get the zeiss, but im sure the firedot could come in handy in some situations. Im not sure how thin the cross hairs are on the #4 plex but i know the zplex is good enough in low light. either way i dont think you can go wrong with either one. I think you will get better glass with the zeiss tho. Just my opinion
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Think I would take the illuminated Leupold but the Zeiss is better glass.  Im a big fan of illumination because you never know what will go bump in the dark.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/16/2012 at 21:49
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After doing a lot of searching I figured I'd hear the Zeiss is better glass but the Leupold dot may be better close to dark.  
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/16/2012 at 22:07
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Those are both very nice scopes. The Zeiss' reticle is good for low light hunting. I would take the Zeiss.
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/16/2012 at 23:22
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I really like the Zeiss, it's great glass, but they say Swarovski is the best. I have ordered me a Z3 and it is on its way.Yippee I'm EXCITED!!!!
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The swaro is better optically but if he has a budget then even the cheepest swaro is $200+ above these scopes. But if you got the money they are nice.
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I'd take the Zeiss with the #4. I've never had a visibility issue with one (at dark or daybreak). I always defer to better glass / coatings. 
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I vote leupold all the way. Those scopes have sharp optics.
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Originally posted by jselsor jselsor wrote:

I vote leupold all the way. Those scopes have sharp optics.
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Fixed that for ya jselsor.
 
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Actually they are both assembled in the USA.
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I would opt for the American assembled Meopta Meopro 3-9x42 #4 reticle @$399 (SWFA) and hunt as late or later than either the Zeiss or the Leupold.The Meopta #4 is super black and bold.I have used illuminated stuff before and firmly believe that with good glass and a bold reticle,it's not needed.Took several deer last season in very low light and one of the shots pushed the envelope to what would be Game Warden eyebrow raising.What more do you need?
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/17/2012 at 16:13
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Hello all:
The newest Leupold VX-3 (or whatever they are named this week) are tougher than the Zeiss and have glass that is very, very close in the 3x9 or 2.5x8 version.
It would be a really tough call but with Leupold's superior customer service and warranty I would be favoring the Leupold.
Once past this price point, $200.00 or more, it is Swarovski or Zeiss, their glass is visibly superior.
Again, I have noticed that when many of the big name hunter folks come to Alaska on their dime to hunt they usually have a Leupold VX-3 on their rifles.
The new VX-3's are a visible step up in terms of the glass.
I am not an expert and did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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How does Leupold have superior CS than Zeiss?  Both have equal representation in the us for repair, both have excellent tract records for repairs.... i am confused?
 
How is the VX3 tougher than the Zeiss? 
 
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The Leupold seals are better and the scopes seem to hold their zero better. (baggage handlers and recoil)
The dealers I have talked to say the Zeiss was superior optically but Leupold has caught up.
Zeiss has good customer service, Leupold is excellent.
We are talking about the Zeiss Conquest line vs the Leupold VX-3.
Have used the Leupold VX-III, 1.5x5 and 3X9, had a Zeiss Conquest 3x9 but sold it and the rifle.
Zeiss has not updated the Conquests in terms of coatings and internals in a while.
My Zeiss Victory is better optically than anything Leupold makes and is just behind my Swarovski Z-6.
The Leupold VX-3 3x9 has caught up with the Zeiss Conquest 3x9.
Leupold Rifleman and VX-1 are garbage in my opinion..VX-2 is good and VX-3 is a very good scope optically and superior in durability.
My opinion based on use and observation.
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Are any other factors important to you Leupold has some CDS system scopes that give you an advantage dialing in correction at long range and some have the illumination  
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Originally posted by gulf1263 gulf1263 wrote:

Hello all:
The newest Leupold VX-3 (or whatever they are named this week) are tougher than the Zeiss and have glass that is very, very close in the 3x9 or 2.5x8 version.
It would be a really tough call but with Leupold's superior customer service and warranty I would be favoring the Leupold.
Once past this price point, $200.00 or more, it is Swarovski or Zeiss, their glass is visibly superior.
Again, I have noticed that when many of the big name hunter folks come to Alaska on their dime to hunt they usually have a Leupold VX-3 on their rifles.
The new VX-3's are a visible step up in terms of the glass.
I am not an expert and did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Pretty accurate description IMO.  in 10 years of guiding hunters, probably 75% of them have Leupold scopes.  I always make it a point to quiz them about their optics.  Not one single person has had a Leupold or Zeiss Conquest go belly up.  Leupold and Swaro wrote the book on customer service.  That is not even arguable.  After looking through my own, and our hunter's VX3's, Conquest's, and Elite 4200 there's not a nickle's worth of difference in the glass IMO, in all lighting conditions.  The new VX6 is better than any of these, on par with the Swaro A (Z3), and is extremely well built. 
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I believe the VX-3 and the VX-6 both have Leupold’s Xtended Twilight Lens System combined with Leupold’s DiamondCoat 2 coating. SO I don't see how the VX-6 is better. I will tell you it doesn't compare to the Swaro probably not even the conquest. Is it a lot closer to the Conquest than it was in the VX-III model? Yes without a doubt. I hunted with a VX-6 on a rifle that normally wears a Swarovski and I missed the Swaro. I am not knocking Leupold I am glad they are starting to more competitive again but they still don't make glass comparable with equivalent to Swarovski or Zeiss.

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Originally posted by gulf1263 gulf1263 wrote:

The Leupold seals are better and the scopes seem to hold their zero better. (baggage handlers and recoil)
The dealers I have talked to say the Zeiss was superior optically but Leupold has caught up.
Zeiss has good customer service, Leupold is excellent.
We are talking about the Zeiss Conquest line vs the Leupold VX-3.
Have used the Leupold VX-III, 1.5x5 and 3X9, had a Zeiss Conquest 3x9 but sold it and the rifle.
Zeiss has not updated the Conquests in terms of coatings and internals in a while.
My Zeiss Victory is better optically than anything Leupold makes and is just behind my Swarovski Z-6.
The Leupold VX-3 3x9 has caught up with the Zeiss Conquest 3x9.
Leupold Rifleman and VX-1 are garbage in my opinion..VX-2 is good and VX-3 is a very good scope optically and superior in durability.
My opinion based on use and observation.
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How do you know the seals are better? I also don't think the Leupold is more durable than the Zeiss. Have you actually tested them side by side or witnessed anyone doing so or are you just going off of heresay?
 
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To the original poster Lee. Both scopes are good scopes. I would say Zeiss has the slight edge in glass. Leupold has the slight edge with Illumination. The fact of one being more durable is pure assumption. Both companies will warranty any defect you come across and are both Transferable warranties.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/20/2012 at 10:01
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  This board can get mean spirited quickly.  The fellow just stated his opinion, clearly labeled as such.
"My opinion based on use and observation."
  To label his opinion as "pure assumption" is a little rough.  It goes beyond just disagreement.
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It was not meant in mean spirits by any nature but when the original poster is coming in and look for information and someone is saying that A conquest is less durbale is rediculous. I agree my wording may have been wrong and a little to argumentative. However I deal with this stuff on a daily basis and I know to say that is in fact an assumption. He is correct Leupold has caught up ALOT, but they still aren't as good optically as the Zeiss. I apologize for my wording GULF haven't had my morning coffee yet still a little irritable.Wink Coffee
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3 tuns, I dont' agree with you at all.  Several people on here are diehard one brand or another, some so much that they sew in gold lace to the elastic of their underwear to prove a point. I've used pretty much every brand.  I can say that out of everything out there, there is only one or two brands I will never buy from again.
 
That said.  Anyone who had used a VX 3 and a Zeiss Conquest side by side  does have a right to an opinion on the two.  Claiming the seals are better on one or the other would be a gross assumptions that would need some proof behind it. Glass is similar but the edge to edge clarity and low light performance does go to the conquest in all the test I've done myself.  The warranty assumption of one being great and one being excellent?  Not sure how to approach that, does one warrant being better? Both will take care of your needs, both stand behind their products.  Both are ASSEMBLED in the USA, neither is MADE in the USA.
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to the original poster.  I think both scopes would serve you well, I do think that both will retain their value pretty much equally.  The glass is very similar.  The conquest has a good following, the Leupold has a good following.  Both have options for target turrets in the future if you wanted as well. The leupold does have illumination, do you use it now?  Do you think it would be useful?  I've never felt I needed illumination myself, yes it was fun to play with but I can't recall shooting any deer/game animals with the illumination on in any scope.  It is an added feature that can break (not saying it will), on a hunting rig, i want simple.  Thats personal preferance though.

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Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

I believe the VX-3 and the VX-6 both have Leupold’s Xtended Twilight Lens System combined with Leupold’s DiamondCoat 2 coating. SO I don't see how the VX-6 is better. I will tell you it doesn't compare to the Swaro probably not even the conquest. Is it a lot closer to the Conquest than it was in the VX-III model? Yes without a doubt. I hunted with a VX-6 on a rifle that normally wears a Swarovski and I missed the Swaro. I am not knocking Leupold I am glad they are starting to more competitive again but they still don't make glass comparable with Swarovski or Zeiss.


With all due respect Chris, you'd be wrong on the VX3/Vx6.  I sent one to a guy to test against the Swaro A and Conquest and I pretty much posted what he told me....= to SwaroA and better than Conquest.  That's what I've seen too when comparing it against my own Swaro A and Conquest and VX6.  Even an optical engineer from another site posted the VX6 has superior glass to the VX3....different prescription.  I'm not commenting on durability, since I' haven't had trouble with any of them except the Swaro A lost POI and had to be repaired. 
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I spoke with Leupold today directly just to double check and they verified the VX-3 and the VX-6 both have the Xtended Twilight Lens System and that both of them have the DiamondCoat 2 coating. Same lenses and same coatings.
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