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I had my Cooper Montana Varminter .204 picked out and made the mistake of not buying it that day. It sold later that day, and I'm deciding between two others right now. Last week, at the time I was planning to buy it, I had shifted my choice of scope from a Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x50 with a Varmint Hunter reticle to a Swarovski Z5 3.5-18x44 with a Ballistic Turret and Plex reticle. Now I'm beginning to wonder, before I part with my $$$, if I made the right choice.  The rifle and scope will be used on varmints, usually 100 yards or less, and also at a local range punching paper between 100 and 400 yards. Any help in deciding between the two, or a reasonable alternative, would be appreciated.   
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Save some money and get a 4.5-14 Conquest. I have the 6.5-20 and would just as soon have a little less power on the low end. Plus a wider field of view on the top. The reticle is set up for high power. Less a little for caliber variations.
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The varmint reticle is very specific and limited in what range of caliber/grain/ velocity it works in.  If you have not already, go to the zeiss website and click on rapid-z reticles. Then click on Ballistic Calculator. Pick your factory load and or input the info for your particular hand load to see if it works with this reticle. I have the 6.5-20x50 and it is the best scope I own. The down side is when you learn how to use the calculator and the importance of creating a data card as to the correct power setting for a known distance...well, it all becomes very busy in a hunting situations. Killing paper may not be as rushed. Also..Not sure @ your rifles weight but The big Conquest on my VLS22-250 basically makes it a shooting rest only gun.
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The 6.5-30x50 Conquest is set up for 17.3 magnification when using the full function on the VH reticle. For 200 yards or less while hunting it's a cross hair situation anyway because of the .204's flat trajectory.  The VH is set up for use with a .204 or similar fast/flat caliber only. The reason I changed my mind on scopes to begin with was the fact that I'd seldom be using it at the full range that it was designed for.  For most of my shots a simple Plex reticle would work and that would bring a lot of scopes into the equation. 
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Edit: First line should have read 6.5-20x50
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I find that the 17.3 power is a true and not true statement.  If your particular cartridge does not lets say...match bar 4 @400 yds...say the standard form shows 415yds for bar 4 all you have to do is delete the first yardage compilation that the calculator gave you and then re-enter bar 4  yds 400 and recalculate and it will tell you what power to set it at to be spot on according to the reticle.  Usually when I am trying a different brand of Ammo it will never on Bar 4 through 6 match the last ammo according to the initial calculation.  Just delete the first response from the calculator and reenter and it will give you precise power settings for your requested Bar/Range match for all crosshairs.  The only way it does not work is if you enter a bullet co-efficient/velocity combo outside what is accepted as Varmint Calibers.  The Varmint reticle Zeiss has works well even at close ranges if you like side focus. There is usuallly only around a 1inch over set at 100 yds for varmint calibers so if you site in at 1 (or whatever the calculator recommend)inch high impact at 100 yds it will be deadnuts on at 200. About the only reason this would be useless would be for very precise bench shooting.  On a coyote at 30 or two hundred yds with center crosshair -lights out.

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http://www.kentonindustries.com/pics/picbytype/        Order Kenton knobs and go with a mildot reticle then dial in correction for distance its more accurate.   I like the 4.5-14 suggestion also if your working coyotes.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

http://www.kentonindustries.com/pics/picbytype/        Order Kenton knobs and go with a mildot reticle then dial in correction for distance its more accurate.   I like the 4.5-14 suggestion also if your working coyotes.

Looks like a good suggestion, if I can get my head around using mildot to begin with. At least with the Kenton knobs it wouldn't mean the usual mildot calculations. Wouldn't the Kenyon knobs be similar to using the Ballistic Turret on the Swarovski... at least for elevation.
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Given your application, I'd go with the turret.  IMHO the ballistic reticles are for quicker aquisition than paper requires.  You listed paper as your only distant target.  Unless you were shooting mixed range targets in a firing period the BDC would appear not too valuable to me.  I'd rather use the real crosshairs and simply set up for the distance being shot at in a range venue.
 
Now if one has a Pdog town which might present a target from 200 to 500 at any given time, different answer.
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My opinion...I would go with the Swarovski...or something with a low power of 3-4.  I had a 5-15X40 and hated it cause the lowest power was too much and had a helluva time with target accusition at closer distances.

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From the scope point of view: the z reticles series real nicety is the windage hold off, which has a graduated increase  for each distance increase, and holding wind velocity at a constant. Any of them are as accurate as direct dial in if the min/mil holdoff is known for that distance, just add or subtract the number of clicks back in. Unless your shooting at fixed firing line ranges, exact ranges integers are rare, so whether its 415 yds or 400 yds makes little difference to the cone of fire, only the size of the target matters. If you want to use one for just dial in zero at 100 yds, and use a drop card for dial in, this way you can use the scope either way, whereas a regular duplex only leaves one option. Best bet is your round count will be a lot more target shooting than hunting, so you should slant your choice that direction.
From the guns point of view: 204s are pretty flat, at 4300 fps, they pretty easily match a 22-250 swift with 55 gr. at 3800 , unless your shooting pop cans up to 500 yds. , a 300 yd setting will contact with any target-- a regular duplex -- no hold over, no dial in.
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Hey Quoddy: what finish will you go with on that scope for your Cooper, matte or ? The reason I ask is because I just bought the same rifle/cal.; sure is a sweet one. I'm looking at Talley lightweight 1-pc. ringmounts but not sure, mine didn't come with the optional bases...
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I'm going with the matte which will match the receiver/bolt of the Cooper, that the only part that isn't stainless. Right now I've changed my mind about the scope/reticle combination and am going with the Swaro Z5 3.5-18x44, but with the BRX reticle, which is a change from my planned Ballistic Turret and plex reticle. I'm glad I stopped and thought about the scope a bit more. 
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A Swarovski, I just purchased one of those with the BR reticle.  If you haven't done so, go to their website and download the program to use with with that reticle.
 
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I finally bought the upgraded Cooper Montana Varminter with AAA French Walnut, fluted barrel and fluted bolt today. In a "fit of madness" I ordered the Swarovski Z5 3.5-18x44 with Ballistic Turret. Blew the budget in a 15 minute period. 
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WOW.....NICE SETUP
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Nice...makes me feel like spending money....
 
Ive been looking at a Cooper MTV in 204 for a while, just cant pull the trigger.  I keep thinking I could buy another 204 rifle and a heck of a nice scope for the price of the Cooper alone...but I am sure its worth it
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Don't give up hope: I just bought a V in .204 for a couple hundred $ off on sale. Not much more than the Rem. VSSF-II I was considering.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

http://www.kentonindustries.com/pics/picbytype/        Order Kenton knobs and go with a mildot reticle then dial in correction for distance its more accurate.   I like the 4.5-14 suggestion also if your working coyotes.


I wish someone would do this for Kahles CL series scopes.
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I have my eye on a Cooper Custom Classic 57M 22 WMR, hope to have the deal sealed next wednesday..........wonder which BSA I should put on it, ONLY KIDDING it will get GOOD GLASS just trying to make up my mind. I have been thinking about trying one of the new Redfield's 4x14......
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4.5-14x40 is what i have on my btcss savage 204 its a nikon
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