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Want to get a Nikon for my .270 and undecided on which one to get on samplelist. Any big difference between the Prostaff 3-9x50 and the Buckmaster 3-9x40. I hunt in thick woods and swamp areas so dark areas in early morning and late afternoon will effect me. If a Buckmaster 3-9x50 comes available soon I will definitly go after it. Any information wil be great.
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If the ProStaff or Buckmaster are your price range in a Nikon, I would give serious consideration to the Nikon Team Primos 3-9x40. I hunt similar types of terrain and Team Primos has the same glass and mechanicals as he Monarch I use. It is an absolute best bargain for the price.  http://www.swfa.com/pc-9244-2119-nikon-3-9x40-team-primos-riflescope.aspx



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I would suggest the Monarch
I have used several, great scopes

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btw, I have seen the new monarch 2.5-10x42 for 279.00
that would be a great scope for what you want

if you can find a scope in the price you want with a 4a reticle, jump on it
it's hands down the best reticle for low light hunting
I have done a bunch of testing at night with various scopes and that reticle is clearly better even when comparing two identical scopes (in my case Kahles CL 3-10x50s)

you can get a Zeiss Conquest 3-10x50 with the 4a reticle for a little under 600
also check the samplist(.com) for deals
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Thanks for the info. $200 is my area on spending, thats why I have been looking on the samplelist. I could vary a little bit if I wait a while longer but with my luck a good deal will go by before I decide to get it. Now the Team Primos scope looks like a great deal. I will be replacing a Simmons prohunter 3-9x40 so I can put my simmons on my marlin45-70. May seem like a stupid question but is there a good deal of difference clearity between these two?
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The primos is last years monarch 3-9x40. With the Nikon you will see a significant improvement in all aspects of optical performance over your Simmons! The Primos is probably   the best deal in a 3-9x40 on the market! Yippee
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+1 on the primos. got one yesterday, they are very nice. Great glass for the money. May be the best deal in scopes right now.
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Forgot. Welcome to the OT, the members here have great knowledge. They really opened my eyes to good optics and equipment. Good luck with your decision. By the way, after you buy and mount a scope, the members may demand pictures.
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you might also want to check out the Elite 4200s in a 3-9x40
seen them for around 250
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Thank you all for your replies. Information given is well received. I like to here if there maybe any primos 50mm going to be added at these good prices. Pushing my luck on this? If no chance then I am pretty sure the 40mm will get the job done. Just figure if the optics are that good then the 50mm will just add a little more to the dusk and dawn times on a cloudy day.
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How about the Nikon 3.3-10x44 Monarch UCC Riflescope. I know a bigger objective is not a great improvement but if it is slightly better I could get it when funds are available. Any one with this scope give some advice.
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that would be a GREAT hunting scope
44mm isn't really that big
a tad brighter when at full magnification isn't bad when you are trying to take a shot late in the evening or before first light

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Went to Gander Mt. last night and compaired the Nikon monarchs to the Bushnell 3200. I could see clear and bright through both scopes, but I noticed something in the Nikon that may be hard to describe. Both Nikon team primos and monarch, when looking thru the eyepiece, seemed only 2/3rds of the scope was viewable. The outer 1/3rd was the inside of the scope. Like looking down a tunnel.  I moved the scope back and forth to adjust eye relief but it did not change. When looking into the Bushnell 3200 elite the eyepiece was full. Again, I moved the scopes back and forth, the Bushnell did not have the problem. What causes this and what's it called? Most of my shots I use 5X power so I made sure I compared all at that power. As far as I could determine, the Bushnell 3200 was a more comfortable view. After last night I am starting to take a liking to the Bushnell 3200 series. Comments?
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I noticed the same thing a long time ago when I was considering the older Monarchs. The older buckmasters had a more comfortable view than the monarchs. I havent had a chance to look at a new Buckmaster but I hear they have better glass than the old ones yet still not as good as the Monarchs. The Newer redesigned Monarchs are said to have the same glass and coatings as the older ones but they have redesigned the scope as far as eye box and eye relief etc... I actually liked the view through the newer one better than the older one yet I hated the power adjustment ring, it is not comfortable to turn.   I have a brand new 3-9x40 Elite 4200 and it has a comfortable view and yes it is better than the 3200. I am considering the Zeiss Conquest with #4 reticle and may post the 4200 for sale on the (OPTICS FOR SALE) FORUM.    If I do, I will sell it for a good price so keep an eye out for it.
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Thanks DAVE44. It was just kinda unusual feel for me when I looked into the Nikons that I could see the inside of the scope at normal viewing range. Kinda distracting. Boy I would love to have the Zeiss Conquest, but like everybody else, money is very tight right now. I looked at a 3.5-10x50 conquest last year and WOW! Now that is a clear and bright image. Maybe a few years down the road I can get one. Also thank you for the heads up on your scope.
Has anyone used the Firefly on the bushnell? Thats another option I want to know about. Did not get to test it at the store so I don't know how bright it is. You know, not so bright that in low light conditions that it is overpowering since it is not adjustable.
THANKS to the fellas that helped me out. I know I ask alot of questions, but I work alot and don't have a great amount of time to look every scope over. Plus the big stores just don't seem to have that personal touch in customer service and advice. I have browsed this sight over times before and seems that alot here don't just give you their opinion but they also give good advice.Excellent
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Did someone (DAVE44) say the Buckmaster got a glass improvement?  That's nice to know...some of the Buckmasters have got different shapes and lengths than other scope series, and look like they would fit on some hard to scope rifles.... but I was always put off by "economy", shall I say....Lesser Quality, glass..than the Monarch.  If Nikon has improved it somewhat then that might induce me to take a look through one.       --Ed
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I have 3 of the new monarchs, optics are indeed bright and clear. The long eye relief though takes some time to get used to. You will indeed see the insides of the scope if your eye is closer than recommended, which is about 4 inches away from the eyepiece. The other thing i don't like about the new monarch is that at high magnifications, 12x and up, the image  has this white haze because of sunlight reflecting on the insides of the scope near the objective lens. The sunshade does solves the problem but i find it hard to use the sunshade in a hunting situation. Big%20Smile
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We call it the "tunnel effect" with the Nikon's.
IIRC, Koshkin has addressed this issue before here, but I don't recall the reason.
Bothers some people, but not me. I love Nikons....
 
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

We call it the "tunnel effect" with the Nikon's.
IIRC, Koshkin has addressed this issue before here, but I don't recall the reason.
Bothers some people, but not me. I love Nikons....
 

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I am going back sometime next weekend and take another look. The scopes are set up on mock rifle stocks and they are most likely not set up properly. I tried to adjust back and forth last time but I will make sure that I pay more attention.
 
How about the firefly? Anyone have comments on the brigthtness?
 
On the Nikon Monarch, is there any difference between the 3-10x50 regular and the 3-10x50 short action when it comes to quality? Any advantage with either one?
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Originally posted by MIKE24 MIKE24 wrote:

On the Nikon Monarch, is there any difference between the 3-10x50 regular and the 3-10x50 short action when it comes to quality? Any advantage with either one?
 
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I'm sorry, try'n to do two things at one time.Loco It was the Busnell 3200 3-9x50 and the Bushnell 3-10x50 "shortaction". Other than the 3-9x and the 3-10x, what is the short action(shorter scope) about? I thinking of putting one or the other on my Savage 270cal. Just didn't know if there was a specific application for either one.
 
 
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Mike.
My little pice of advice...Take a look at the Nikon Monarch 1,5-6x42 with the #4 reticle.
I bought that scope last fall and i sits on top of my 35 Whelen.
I hunt much in the same way as you, and I find the low 1,5 wery usefull at close range, and the 6 is plenty enough for longer shots.
I´m very pleased with my new Nikon.
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Thanks seawolf, but that is a little out of my price range.Shocked Really looks great especially with the german #4 retical. I've always liked that retical but can never seem to find that in a low/medium price scope.
 
So, can anybody tell my what the advantage of having a shorter or longer scope such as the bushnells that I listed in my previous reply?
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Ok, went back to the store today and was able to take a really good look at some scopes. I noticed that the Team Primos scope was set back a little bit more than most scopes. When I was able to rest the scope on a counter and move it around to a comfortable position and adjust the focus, WOW! Clear, bright and full. No way does the Bushnell 3200 even compare. The Leupold VX-I or the VX-II were not as bright. I even tried the Buris Fullfield II and the Nikon was brighter and clearer. I have to agree with trigger29, with the scopes I compared with, the Team Primos has to be the best deal going right now. Top on my list to get next week.
 
Now a new question, I have a Marlin lever 45-70 guide gun and need to get a scope for it. Anyone here have a nice setup for this gun? Do not want a scout scope, so decent eye relief is needed. 28-32mm size would be great.
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