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Hello fellas, new guy from across the pond chiming in.
 
Need help to choose scope for high seat hunting deer at dawn and dusk, and moonlit nights.
(fully legal in Norway where I live Smile)
 
The rifle in question is a Ruger No1, 270 Win.
Because of the mounts, I´m limited to 1" tube.
 
I have been looking at the S&B Classic 8x56 with German #4 reticle, and the Meopta 7x56 with eighter the #4 or the Red dot.
 
Any of you with experience with these scopes who can give some advice?
 
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Leupold makes 30mm rings for the ruger guns, so you are not limited to just the 1"
http://www.swfa.com/c-427-leupold-ruger-1-7722-30mm-ringmounts.aspx

I am sure there are others out there as well.
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I would definitely try for the 30mm mounts with Euro glass. I know that pyro likes the 270 idea.
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yeah the .270 win is certainly my favorite, which i why i own a grand total of ZERO of them
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Originally posted by Treestand56 Treestand56 wrote:

I know that pyro likes the 270 idea.
 
Yes, Pyro "O'Connor" is our resident OT expert on all things .277"/ 6.8mm, and is president of the Jack O'Connor Fan Club for the MN region!
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Sorry, Mr. O'Connor; you know my intentions were good!Wink
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Leupold makes 30mm rings for the ruger guns, so you are not limited to just the 1"
http://www.swfa.com/c-427-leupold-ruger-1-7722-30mm-ringmounts.aspx

I am sure there are others out there as well.
 
Warne makes a QD in 30mm. I just ordered a pair for my Ruger #1.


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Knew I could press your button on that one. Just looking out for you!

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Strange place this, I never asked about rings, but apreciate the replays anyhow Wink.
About the scope question,  nobody with first hand experience ?
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Originally posted by seawolf seawolf wrote:

Strange place this, I never asked about rings, but apreciate the replays anyhow Wink.
About the scope question,  nobody with first hand experience ?
 
You have to reign these guys in every now and then.Excellent 
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Yes ... it  happens  once in a while that a thread takes off in an unpredictable direction Smile
 
I still hope though that someone can give me a hint about the scopes...
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Originally posted by seawolf seawolf wrote:

Hello fellas, new guy from across the pond chiming in.
 
 
The rifle in question is a Ruger No1, 270 Win.
Because of the mounts, I´m limited to 1" tube.
 
 
Any of you with experience with these scopes who can give some advice?
 
Seawolf
 
 
 
 
Sorry, we were just offereing alternatives. Maybe not so strange?
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Hey Seawolf,                 There is a member of this website who talks to us now and then from Sweden. He calls himself Technika and he hunts at night and is very knowledgable about low light scopes and hunting after dark. You can send him a personal message at www.technika.nu --plus you could wait here on this thread for the rest of the boys to discover your question. I am sure you will get a lot of feedback directly.           --Ed 
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Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

Hey Seawolf,                 There is a member of this website who talks to us now and then from Sweden. He calls himself Technika and he hunts at night and is very knowledgable about low light scopes and hunting after dark. You can send him a personal message at www.technika.nu --plus you could wait here on this thread for the rest of the boys to discover your question. I am sure you will get a lot of feedback directly.           --Ed 
 
Good call, Ed.
 
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Sorry, we were just offereing alternatives. Maybe not so strange?
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Not at all, and hopefully I did not step on anyones toes Smile
As i said, I apreciate the the replies about the rings, but the fact is that due to my not so young eyes, I must have the scope pretty close, and offset rings are the only way to go.
The only set I have found that can manage a + 50 mm lense and get the scope close enough is the Leupold 1" high offset.
 
Pr today I have a Conquest 3,5-10x50 on the rifle. but like to put on something more suited for the dark hours.
 
Again, I dont mean to come busting in here with an upnose attitude, so again if I offended someone, I´m sorry.
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No Problem, Seawolf!!  ( We're just a bunch of REDNECKS here on this forum! Bucky HA! HA!) [ I will have to remember that word "upnose" ----I LIKE that!!]
 
Well, now that we have a photo of your rifle, we can see how scopes will fit with your mounts. Lots of people on this forum say the Conquest is a great scope for low light viewing. But for REAL DARK Moonlight hunting you might check out all the expensive European scopes like the 1 inch Kahles and the 1 inch Swarovski and a couple of the 1 inch IOR scopes ( but they are only a 4X and a 6X). Meopta is supposed to be wonderful, too, but most of them are 30mm.
 
Anyway, hang around, pretty soon this topic will "take off" with all kinds of technical and entertaining information....and a lot of fun foolishness.Shocked     --Ed
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Thanks for the pics, Seawolf. I'm concerned about the spacing myself now. I'm mounting a 30mm tubed Kahles 1.1-4x24.
I have no experience with the two scopes you have mentioned but there are S&B and Meopta fans lurking somewhere around here. For the hunting you do Technika should be of great help since he hunts after dark in your part of the world. Here are some of his posts.
This one is about low light scopes
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Technika is our Optics Expert from Scandanavia. He's always up a tree killing stuff by moolight!!          Bow
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Rifledude will have a lot of imput here also as hes basically looking for the very best kahles - swaro - and zeiss for his purposes.

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Thanks for the vote of confidence, Focus. 
 
My take on what makes an excellent low light scope is pretty simple.
 
1.  It should have at least 7mm exit pupil at the magnifications used appropriate for the average shot distances.  Since most of my low light & night hunting (legal for feral hogs) shots is well within 75 yards or so max, I've found that 4X or 6X is about all the magnification I ever use.  This means a high quality scope with a 42mm objective has plenty of light transmission and magnification for the task.   Larger objectives will allow you to use more magnification while still maintaining a large exit pupil, but you reach a point of diminishing returns where the smaller FOV works against your ability to acquire the target in the dark.  Plus, unless you have a very bright full moon, I've found I'm not able to make out enough detail at distances much further than about 80 yards to justify using higher magnification anyway. 
2.  It should have a multicoating that maximizes light transmission in the blue light spectrum for best visibility in low light.  Coatings optimized for the blue spectrum is one thing that characterizes most of the high end Euro scopes.  However, good low light scopes aren't confined to the European models.  Regardless of origin, get the best optics you can afford, because extremely low light is where the advantage of truly superb optics really pays off.
3.  It should have either a bold, highly visible reticle (really thick outer posts) like a good 4A, heavy plex, #1 style post, etc. OR have a well-designed illuminated reticle.  By well designed, I mean the reticle should not over-illuminate the inside of the scope, which can cause temporary night blindness.  I'm a fan of a good lit reticle scope, and trust me, you will ALWAYS be more effective in very low light hunting with a "good" lit reticle scope.  No matter how bold, a conventional reticle will never be as visible as a properly designed lit reticle.  A good lit reticle should illuminate only a very small portion of the reticle, such as a dot, dot and circle, or simple "+", and the controls should have a broad enough range that it allows for a very dim setting.  Ideally, you should have just enough illumination that the center of your reticle is visible in whatever light level you're shooting in and no more.  The problem here is there are very few truly good lit reticle models among the 1" tube scopes.  The Trijicon Accupoint 3-9X40 scope is an intriguing 1" tube scope for low light shooting, and it has a very innovative lit reticle that doesn't require a battery.  I've never used one personally, and have only seen them inside stores, so I cannot comment on the low light performance of the glass.  I've heard good things about them, though.
4.  Though not essential, I personally prefer a first focal plane reticle for low light use, because it magnifies in direct proportion with the target when you turn up the power, making it more visible than a typical second focal plane reticle.
 
As Focus said, my best low light scopes are all 30mm tube, lit reticle, high end Euro scopes (Zeiss VM/V 2.5-10X50 illuminated #8, S&B Zenith 1.5-6X42 Flashdot #9, Kahles CB 2.5-10X50 illuminated 4NK), but I hunt a lot at night for feral pigs in nearly complete darkness, so I need every visibility advantage I can get.   
 
Hope this helps!


Edited by RifleDude - February/12/2008 at 16:27
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