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I have decided to get a Conquest  but whicj a 3-9x40  or 3-9x50
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The 4.5-14x 44 or 50 would be my first choice in the Rapid Z800 reticle.
I like a 50 mm objective better but that only makes it brighter on 7x as opposed to bright on 6x in low light with a 44mm.
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3-9X40 is quite a bit less expensive. 
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true the 3-9x40 is cheaper  im wondering if the brightness of the 50 is worth the price increase
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I would suggest that unless you are considering a model with a balistic reticle - (also more costly) NO the 50mm  would not be worth the cost difference--  to me -- for a Plex type reticle,  but you may feel differently. The  3-9 x40 has been their entry level scope to teach people what quality glass looks like. Now the difference between a plex at $499 (Shall we say $500)  and the Rapid Z600 reticle $70 more - Oh Hell Yea its worth every penny  difference.
Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z 600 Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214609971
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 600
  • 1"
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
  • Mail-In $50 Rebate
$569.95 
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And the step up to the 4.5-14x 44 Rapid Z800 is also worth every penny difference.
Buy Once Cry Once.  I you watch the Samplelist.com you can sometimes find a used or demo one for hundreds less but it may take a couple of months and some effort to check it. http://www.samplelist.com/Riflescopes-C4.aspx#Zeiss
 
Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z 800 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214309972
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 800
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
$899.95 
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Regarding how bright a scope is in low light -- it is important to understnd that the relationship between the size of the objective and the magnification setting of the scope.  
If I have a 6x42 fixed power scope like Leupold FX3 6x42 it will have  42mm divided by 6 power -- so
42divideved by 6 = 7mm exit eye pupil. In low light the eye of a young male will dialate to about 7mm as we grow older it may not dialate that much but we will use the 7mm exit eye pupil size for our measuring stick of brightness.   So if i buy a 2.5 to 10x56 scope I will want to understand that on
10x it will have  (56divided by 10 = 5.6mm exit eye pupil)
9x it will have  (56 divided by 9 = 6.2 mm exit eye pupil)
8x it will have  (56 divided by 8 = 7mm exit eye pupil) bright as it gets
any power below 8 will have larger than a 7mm exit eye pupil so bright as it gets.
Now for us old guys what if our eye only dialates to about 6mm then we will never notice the scope brighten up as we dial down from 10x to 8x.
 
Now what if I bought a scope that was a 1-4x24?
24mm divided by 4x = 6mm exit eye pupil 
24 divided by 7 = 3.4 so at any power 3.4 of below this scope has a 7mm exit eye pupil.
 
Now what if I bouthg a scope that was a 5-20x50?
at 20x    50mm divided by 20x = 2.5 mm exit eye pupil.  so not very bright in low light but if we dial it down to 7 power of below is will be at a 7mm exit eye pupil.  On higher power scopes the ability to dial down to brighten the image is critical in low light where on some scopes that are lower power it is not as critical. 
 Understanding this relationship helps you to realize in low light dial down the power and brighten the image.
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http://www.zeiss.com/c1256bcf0020be5f/Contents-Frame/3dc0003746ab21148525726200057786
Zeiss website has a Rapid Z calculator to help figure what distance their scopes reticles will represent at what power  for a specific caliber and bullet.
Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z 600 Zeiss 3-9x40 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214609971
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 600
  • 1"
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
  • Mail-In $50 Rebate
$569.95 
Zeiss 3-9x50 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z 600 Zeiss 3-9x50 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214809971
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 600
  • 1"
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
  • Mail-In $50 Rebate Thunbs Up
$699.95 
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This is an example of how the Rapid Z system works:
 
30-06   Winchester XP3 180 gr ammo (according to Win catelogue energy and trajectory this is smoking hot compared to their other loads but it is more expensive)
 
2700 Ft per Sec  with a balistic coefficient of .527
 
Zero at 200 yds   at 9x
line 3  282 yds
line 4  364 yds
line 5  452 yds
line 6  539 yds   at 9x
 
but if you dial the power down to   7.32 power the lines represent this
 
Zero at 200 yds  at 7.32 x
line 3  300 yds
line 4  396yds
line 5  500yds
line 6  600 yds   at 7.32x
 
Test the figures on the range to make sure other factors like elevation and temperature etc do not have a significant effect.
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SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SS39X42MQ
  • Matte
  • Patented First Focal Plane Mil-Quad Reticle
  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
$599.95
 
I really like this scope also it is just as good of glass as my conquest.
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Dude... you went All Out!  Nice job.
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Originally posted by icon308 icon308 wrote:

true the 3-9x40 is cheaper  im wondering if the brightness of the 50 is worth the price increase
Both of my Conquests are plenty bright enough to get me past legal shooting times... 3-9x40 and 3.5-10x44.
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SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SS39X42MQ
  • Matte
  • Patented First Focal Plane Mil-Quad Reticle
  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
$599.95
 
I really like this scope also it is just as good of glass as my conquest.
I agree. I have the Mildot reticle model. I'd never looked through one of the SS scopes and bought it sight unseen and was well pleased to discover how good that glass really is.
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hi Alan  about how long after sunset is the 3-9x40 good for
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Dial down to 6x and you can use it all night if you have any moon light it will be better than what you can see without a  scope and the three heavy pointed posts will show up even when you cant see the finer parts of the reticle.  It currently what is on my night time coyote rifle but I do like illuminated reticles at night still without paying for illumination this is as good as it gets.  This was designed to go to war.

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I was just looking  how can the 40 have a bigger exit pupil  than the 50
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Well done Wes,simple & very informative. Excellent If anyone doesn't understand keep rereading!
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Originally posted by icon308 icon308 wrote:

hi Alan  about how long after sunset is the 3-9x40 good for
In Oklahoma, legal is 1/2hr before sunrise/after sunset and that is no problem... if I can still see to get back to the truck, I can see through a Conquest.
I've walked around at night with both Conquests just to test and if there is enough light to detect a target,  I can see the reticle and would be able to make a shot, even the Rapid Z is plenty visible (just not the fine marks, but plenty to aim.)
Low- light performance was a concern before I bought the Rapid-Z600, but there was nothing to worry about...
Exit pupil is dependent on which power you are using (objective lens diameter/magnification power= exit pupil: higher is better) You can crank up the power on even the largest objective scopes and not be able to see, but dial down to a lower power and you're good to go.
Quality of glass/coating/build plays a part and one usually has to spend more money to beat a Conquest low- light performance.

If low light and price point are your main considerations, to my eyes, Sightron Big Sky has great glass and is a little better than a Conquest in low light, but has narrower eyebox...  several models have a $75 rebate.
http://swfa.com/Sightron-SII-Big-Sky-Riflescopes-C174.aspx 

Bushnell Elite 4200's came pretty close to Conquest  low- light performance at lower cost.

All told, can't go wrong with a Conquest.
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hi Alan thank you for your info  Ive broke it down to these  the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40  the Bushnell Elite 2.5-10x50  and the Big Sky 3.5-10x50 I had a previous big sky  a 4.5-14x42  it had real good glass  I got the HHR reticle and did'nt like the reticle
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