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I am going to purchase a Zeiss Conquest for my Savage 10ML. Most shots to 300 yds. Looking at the 3.5-10x44 and 4.5-14x44 with #4 reticle. Both are price around $700.00. Looking for best low light shooter. Thanks for any recommendations.

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what's the intended purpose?
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I have the 4.5x14 and it's a great scope.  With the same objective and glass, a lower power will be brighter.  If you're completely worried about brightness the 3-9x50 would be brighter yet and you aren't giving up much magnification.
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is 10ML a muzzleloader?

how about this from the samplelist.com

SPL11576Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest DEMO-B
Click to view5214909943 Matte Mil-Dot reticle 1" tube
$749.95

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http://www.sav10ml.com/ yes this is a muzzleloader intended for hunting deer and the rather unique feature of it is that this one and this one only can use smokeless powder which burns much cleaner.   I do hunt with a muzzleloader and there are a couple of things that should  be considered  depending on how you hunt. If you hunt from a stand or blind in a fixed position you can make good use of a higher power scope with a top end of 14 to 20 and if it is a variable you can dial down the power to brighten the image in low light.  If you stalk deer or push deer you want low power and illumination like a 2.5-10x56 trijicon.  As a point of refrence 6x is bright at 42mm and 7x is bright at 50 mm and 8x is bright at 56mm.   There are several factors in play here and with a muzzleloader true consistence is required for accuracy so run a wet patch down the barrel after each shot if you use traditional black powder that allows the bullets to seat at the same depth.  Every muzzleloader seems to shoot its best with a different weight of powder charge and finding that will take time on the range.   I believe that a #4 reticle while fine for a deer rifle might be not as good of a choice as a balistic reticle for a muzzleloader especially when you start talking about 300 yds--- unless you have target / tactical knobs to dial in correction.  I dont know how much experience you have had with a musket but I am quite comfortable shooting deer at 100 and 200 yds with  a Nikon Omega scope and the glass leaves a lot to be desired but the reticle is useful.  One of my sons has shot deer with his muzzleloader out to almost 400 yds using a 4.5-14x50 Leupold VXIII by dialing in correction.   So I would strongly recommend you purchase the one with Target Knobs.  Then keep notes on how much correction to dial in at what distance.  The nice thing about dialing in correction is it works the same at any magnification so when you dial down to 7x or 8x in low light you can still make a 300 or 400 yd shot accurately.

Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope #4 Zeiss 4.5-14x50 Conquest Rifle Scope
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I have both and the 3.5-10x44 is brighter. I guess it's the side focus that takes away some lowlight performance on the 4.5-14. 
 
I used a friend's rifle with a 3-9x50 Conquest some at the end of hunting season this year and I felt like it was pretty much the same as the 3.5-10x44 in low light.
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By the way, my 3x9 Conquest is currently on my Savage ML and it's a great combo.
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Originally posted by Tulie Tulie wrote:

By the way, my 3x9 Conquest is currently on my Savage ML and it's a great combo.
 
How many 300 yd shots have you taken with it where you hit the deer?
The 3-9x40 is the bargain scope  and it can have target knobs installed but the original post mentioned use out to 300 yds and there is a lot of drop between 100 and 300 for just estimating hold over.
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Save yourself some cash and go with the 3-9X40  Alot of scope for $399 I doubt you will see much difference at low light between the 40mm and 44mm I know my Conquest 4X32 allows me to see quite well into the last light of legal shooting hours.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

Originally posted by Tulie Tulie wrote:

By the way, my 3x9 Conquest is currently on my Savage ML and it's a great combo.
 
How many 300 yd shots have you taken with it where you hit the deer?
The 3-9x40 is the bargain scope  and it can have target knobs installed but the original post mentioned use out to 300 yds and there is a lot of drop between 100 and 300 for just estimating hold over.
 
The Savage is a different breed of ML.  With 300 grain XTP and a MMP sabot I get 2300 fps and yes, deer at 300 isn't unrealistic.  No, I've not taken one there but I wouldn't be awfully worried about it if the conditions were good enough.  I sight mine in 4.5 inches high at 100, it's on a little over 200 and it's about 19 inches low at 300.  I sure wouldn't attempt a shot out that far if I didn't know the range, conditions were very good and there was some reason I really needed to and couldn't get closer or the animal was wounded and getting away.  I actually have two of the Savage's and they will do sub inch 3 shot groups at 100 yards easily.  These aren't the "typical" muzzleloader.
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Originally posted by cbm cbm wrote:

I have both and the 3.5-10x44 is brighter. I guess it's the side focus that takes away some lowlight performance on the 4.5-14. 
 
WOW, my 4.5-14x40 is by far, brighter in low light than my 3.5-10x44 Conquest.  Both have Z-Plex reticles.
 
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Do you have a 4.5-14x50 or a 4.5-14X44 ? They don't have a 4.5-14x40. I have done a lot of testing with mine and would take my 3.5-10x44 for a late evening hunt. Plus I know the side focus requires more lenses and affects the brightness ..............if yours is a 50mm I might could see it but I used one a bit in January and thought it was pretty close to the 44mm ! JMHO

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Thanks for the replies. People who are familiar with the Savage muzzleloader know what it capable of, especially the .45 (sub 4" groups @ 300 yds). I usually hunt from elevated stands and plan to have an elevation turret installed.
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Well I haven't grouped mine at 300 but I have no doubt it is capable of amazing accuracy and not only amazing accuracy for a muzzleloader but just amazing accuracy.  I don't feel bad at all about having a quality 3x9 on mine.
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Originally posted by cbm cbm wrote:

Do you have a 4.5-14x50 or a 4.5-14X44 ? They don't have a 4.5-14x40. I have done a lot of testing with mine and would take my 3.5-10x44 for a late evening hunt. Plus I know the side focus requires more lenses and affects the brightness ..............if yours is a 50mm I might could see it but I used one a bit in January and thought it was pretty close to the 44mm ! JMHO

 
Its a 50.  Its amazing what 6mm does in low-light.  I tell ya' on different line (Burris FFII) its really amazing the difference between 40 mm and 42mm.  All in all, I like all the Zeiss's I have, just wish I had more of them.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by barrycuda barrycuda wrote:

Thanks for the replies. People who are familiar with the Savage muzzleloader know what it capable of, especially the .45 (sub 4" groups @ 300 yds). I usually hunt from elevated stands and plan to have an elevation turret installed.
 
I have had a Savage 10ML-II in 50 cal and now with a Pacnor 45 cal barrel.  Both are 300 yd capable configurations in competent hands (the 45 cal even more so).
 
Mine has always worn a Conquest 3.5-10x44.  I'd be reluctant in going with the 4.5-14x44 with side focus.  The 50 cal Savage ML has been know to kill scopes with side-focus or AO, especially those that shoot high powered loads, (ie 300g bullet @ 2300-2500 fps).  I know of at least 3 people that have had side focus Conquests that went kaplooy on a 50 cal Savage.  I would not however, be afraid to put one on my 45 cal.  The recoil of shooting 200g bullets at 2700+ fps is mild in comparison to the 300g bullets @ 2400 fps load I used to shoot out of my 50 cal.
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