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I have a midlength AR-15, nothing special, use it mainly on the range and take it with me on the four wheeler when I am working around the deer lease, we have a problem with coyotes and stray dogs.  I want to get an Aimpoint for it but can't really justify spending the money on a Micro so I have narrowed my choices to the following:
 
Aimpoint Patrol Rifle Optic Red Dot Sight
 
or
 
Aimpoint CompC3 30mm Red Dot Sight Kit
 
Anybody have any experience with either one that can help?
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For only about $100 more than the compC3  there is this one -
SPL15735 Aimpoint Micro T-1 Red Dot Sight DEMO-A
Click to view 12356, Matte, 4 MOA Dot, Night Vision Compatible
$539.95
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I saw that, I really want a 2 MOA, don't ask me why because I really don't know, I just shoot better with my buddies 2 MOA Aimpoint than his 4 MOA, more precise and almost as fast. Plus, it doesn't come with a mount.
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Gotcha.  I did notice that your two you linked were 2MOA
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Your shots will be quick, I'd consider a reflex instead of Aimpoint. It is always one, no batteries to fail, nice sharp aiming point.





For your intended purpose, I much prefer the reflex.
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I will have see if I know anyone with a reflex site, would really like to try one before I buy it.
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I like reflex sites, very fast, no batteries, no "on" switch.
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Thanks for the picture.  Is it an absolute co-witness or lower 1/3, or can you get different mounts?
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There are many mounts for reflex sites, this is the not my favorite, but it works. 


And it is a lower 1/3 cowitness in this setup.
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RC, how long does the tritium last before it starts going South? 
I've heard 10-13 years? 

Never used a Reflex, but if RC says it's a GO, then that's good enough for me. I respect his recommendation. 

I use and LOVE my Aimpoint Micro. 
Batteries be damned, I have yet to have them crap out on any Aimpoint before I changed them. 
Micro's battery will last 5 YEARS....continuous ON the 8 setting??!!?!? Yippee

Seriously....battery life on a Micro being 5 years or more years continous ON?? It's almost as though they aren't battery operated. Almost....Wink 
Long live Aimpoint!!!  


    
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I just thought I was down to two options, may just continue saving and trying different types out.  I know I like Aimpoints, but the reflex looks good too, arggg!
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I really like my aimpoints, and am currently playing with a Micro, which is pretty sweet.  I would have to play with a reflex, but not sure they are that much faster, but I am sure they are if RC says they are.  I may have to get one to play with to see.
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Originally posted by cpwomack cpwomack wrote:

I just thought I was down to two options, may just continue saving and trying different types out.  I know I like Aimpoints, but the reflex looks good too, arggg!

Get both....Bandito
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+1 for reflex ... no batteries ... no knobs ... just point and shoot ...
 
I have a couple and am happy I switched over from Aimpoints, don't get me wrong ... aimpoints are nice and fast, and I like them a LOT better than EoTechs ... but not needing batteries is the cats A$$ if you ask me.
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Don't get me wrong, i run an Aimpoint micro and reflex, both are great. The reflex is all but bombproof. The Aimpoint is too, but there is a battery.

The reflex can be had in a triangle reticle which serves multiple purposes (finer aiming point at the tip, triangle body for rougher, faster aiming point.)

Both are good options, just trying to complicate things by throwing the reflex out there.

If I had to have one, it'd be a tossup, having usd both. The aimpoint is cooler, reflex is kinda old school.

Edited for spelling.


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Look at this one
Trijicon 1x42 Reflex II Dual Illuminated Sight Trijicon 1x42 Reflex II Dual Illuminated Sight
Stock # - RX34
  • 4.5 MOA Amber Dot
  • Free Lens Pen w/ Purchase
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Actually I like the compact ACOG better than the reflex but I like the 42mm version reflex better than the older smaller style.  The reflex does have a coating on it so not quite clear glass where the compact ACOG is clear with tritium and fiber optic illumination.
Trijicon 1.5x24 Compact Acog Rifle Scope Red Crosshair Trijicon 1.5x24 Compact Acog Rifle Scope
Stock # - TA45R4
  • Red Crosshair
  • Free Lens Cleaning Pen w/ Purchase
$945.95
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I wish I could afford both, but I am having a 308 built so my budget for this optic is not that much, was trying to keep the optic and mount down to $500.  May just stick with irons for a few more months and see how much I can save before I finally purchase something.
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Sorry, it was absolutely not my intention to muddy the waters.

I too like the ACOG, but don't find it quite as user-friendly as the reflex.  On speedy shots, nothing beats a "no eye relief" optic.

I doubt you'd be disappointed in either the Aimpoint (any model) or the reflex.

And there is a micro on the sample list


For  yote rifle, the patrol rifle version should be fine.  Are you carrying the rifle on the 4-wheeler in a scabbard or on a bar rack up front or on your person?  If in a scabbard, be aware that Aimpoints hang up easily: voice of experience.  I usually now wear mine cross slung, stand and fire, very fast.

Another option is a good 1-4, not as fast on target, but a little more precision for longer shots.

Currently, my speed ARs wear reflex and aimpoint, and the slower, more accurate longer range AR wears a 1-4 (SS, great optic) and I am very pleased with all in their specific application.  The "go-to" AR, if I hear a bump in the night, wears the reflex.  When fractions of a second count, I hate cranking my micro up to visible.  That said, leave it on and just change the batteries every 2 years to be sure.  I prefer as idiot proof as possible. (Once the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not your friend!)

Mark, tritium half life is 12.32 years (so says wiki), meaning in 12.32 years, it'll be half as bright as it is today, and in another 12.32 years, half as bright again.  For night sites, I usually get a solid 12-15 years before I swap them, keeping in mind that you don't need bright dots in the day or the night.

My reflex is the older version, I have been considering trying the newer one, might be a range report coming soon.

So, long post, recap:

1.  The patrol rifle version will be fine.  I do recommend the 2 MOA dot if your eye sight is close to 20/20.  
2.  The micro is great, minimal tube, very clear, dot is very well defined, brightness covers pretty much the whole spectrum, from NV up to full light.
3.  The reflex is very fast, very reliable, and always on.  It's singular weakness, in my opinion, is washout.  The reticle can be tough to find if the shooter is in a dimly lit area, firing into a brightly lit area - as in at night firing at something on which you have flashlight illumination.  The triangle reticle helps here, as does a color other than amber.
4.  If the shots are all 100 years or so (or closer) the 2 MOA dot is perfect.  If some are longer (or your yotes aren't as skittish as the ones I hunt), a good 1-4 will give you more precision at longer ranges while only costing a little more - and only giving up a little to the need for consistent cheek weld.


Hope that helps.
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I have an Aimpoint PRO and I like it very much.  I also own & love Micro's, but I think the PRO is the best Aimpoint deal around.  Of your original choices, I'd go with the PRO.
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RC,
 
You didn't muddy the waters, I asked for opinions from the guys here because I know I will get good info from guys that have used the gear or similar gear that I am asking about.  I carry my rifle slung in front of me using a 2 point sling I got from Larue Tactical, keeps it tight to the body so it doesn't bounce around, but adjusts fast enough to get on target.  Most of my shots are within a 100 yards due to the thick timber around here, the last coyote that I got was well within 100, propbably closer to 50 yards away.  Thanks for the info. 
 
Thanks guys for all the valuable insight, will post some pics once I finally make up my mind and get the optic.
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I have a dumb question about the Reflex.

Does the brightness automatically adjust depending on lighting conditions, or how exactly does that work?  
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Brightness adjusts based on the fiber optic window.  In total darkness, all illumination comes from the tritium.  As ambient light picks up, the fiber optic puts more light on the reticle (this is why washout is an issue when going from dark environment to bright target.)  It works quite well.

Trijicon also makes reflex sites that run an AA battery and operate like an Aimpoint, battery life is said to be quite good, but not as good as the newest aimpoints.
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I have several models of Aimpoint just not the ones you mentioned. I do really like the 2moa versions better than the 4moa versions.  I recently picked up a 1-4 Accupoint red post for a coyote rifle that is a bolt gun.  On the AR I have tried a lot of stuff but the compact ACOG is the one I like the best.  I run a couple of the 9000L Aimpoints one on a 45-70 Encore Pistol and a couple of the Comp M4 and M4s and of the Aimpoints my favorite is the Comp M4s mainly because the AA battery is so easy to come by where the others are challenging to find, it also has awesome lens caps and kill flash.  I have yet to run out of battery power with any of the Aimpoints but I dont leave them running. I will say the Comp M4 is tough as nails, mine survived a four ft fall onto concrete and didnt even have a scratch on it. Of the reflex Trijicons I like the newer larger style better and am not wild about the degree of tint to the glass of the older versions.  I would probably like them even better with a 2moa dot but the triangle reticles work well for me using the point of the triangle for precise placement
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I do like the Comp M4s that my buddy has, but unless I can get a smoking deal on one, they will be out of my price range for another couple of months.  May be a good idea to keep saving and watch the samp[le list, the perfect option may just show up.
 
 
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