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In an earlier thread about stopping power, shot placement was the number one factor expressed by the majority of respondents. 

As we embark upon the 2010 deer hunting season, my question to all of you is this:  Where, specifically, do you try to place your shots on deer?
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heart/ lung
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right behind the front shoulder half-way between the spine and the brisket.
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HEART /LUNG JUST BEHIND THE FRONT SHOULDER.SORRY IF I'M DUPLICATING THE ABOVE FEEDBACKS,BUT I AGREE WITH BOTH!
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The ideal shot is quartering away and aim for the opposite shoulder. You'll destroy the heart/lung and break the opposite runing gear. They can't carry that shot but so far. And ofcourse there is the head/neck shot for the doe. Aim right at the base of the skull. Thats a all or none shot and all the meat is good to go. Good luck guys.
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Heart lung and through a shoulder, preferably.
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Heart/ Lung right behind the shoulder
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Heart/lung, of course.  If you "intend" to hit a shoulder, you are ruining meat by design.  It does, by its very nature, limit mobility... So does a heavy caliber bullet to the "pump station" , but without the meat damage.  Years ago, I always tried for a "down angle" shot, through the shoulder into the heart/lung area...always worked, but required a lot of maneuver to get into the "just right" position.  One of the best meat processors I have ever known called me "aside" after a couple of deer I took to him and said "Son, I REALLY need to talk to you about your shot placement..."  He proceeded to tell me about the good and the bad of my methodology and convinced me his knowledge of deer anatomy was far superior to mine.  I don't shoot shoulders anymore...  Yes, it works, but so does .458 Lott...

(not saying other calibers don't work... my .243 was fine with proper execution. .22 has never failed me... POI is everything.  But the big gun makes it a lot easier... I have no doubts/reservations about the outcome.)
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It depends.

A classic heart/lung behind the shoulder is usually best, as it destroys the least amount of meat (as was previously mentioned).

Sometimes the situation dictates a necessity to take out the shoulders to prevent the critter from getting somewhere nasty.  Mountain mulie hunting comes to mind.  Giving up some meat is preferable to a buck giving the old suicide jump off a 100 foot cliff.
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To me putting a bullet in the the boiler room or motor is the heart/lungs behind the front shoulder. A lot of times the shoulder on the other side gets damaged (or traumatized) during the process.
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I prefer to hit a shoulder going in. I can always butcher around the smaller entrance hole.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I prefer to hit a shoulder going in. I can always butcher around the smaller entrance hole.


Makes sense if the intent is to take out a shoulder during the process, much less loss of meat.   Thunbs Up
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Right in the noggin' if its a doe or small buck and i want meat.  heart lung for a buck worth mounting.
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Heart/lung because it is highly lethal but doesn't mess up the meat. Craig Boddington wrote a decent little book called the Perfect Shot: Mini Edition. It has some good pics/diagrams from different angles. I shot one mule deer buck in the head and he dropped right there but that's just a less reliable shot to make. I've seen plenty of deer, elk and antelope move their heads suddenly...and much more than they move their bodies. (Well, I've seen plenty of body movement too...away from me so that the only option is a Texas heart shot).

I once had to shoot a cow elk a second time to keep her from going over a fence into a rancher's land who won't let anybody in, even to retrieve a down animal. That meant hitting her shoulder and it ruined 10 lbs. of meat. Besides, if you still want to hunt with lead core bullets a heart lung shot usually results in punching through the rib cage on the other side so if there's even any fragmentation (unlikely) it would just be in stuff you're not going to eat anyway.
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

Heart/lung because it is highly lethal but doesn't mess up the meat. Craig Boddington wrote a decent little book called the Perfect Shot: Mini Edition. It has some good pics/diagrams from different angles. I shot one mule deer buck in the head and he dropped right there but that's just a less reliable shot to make. I've seen plenty of deer, elk and antelope move their heads suddenly...and much more than they move their bodies. (Well, I've seen plenty of body movement too...away from me so that the only option is a Texas heart shot).

I once had to shoot a cow elk a second time to keep her from going over a fence into a rancher's land who won't let anybody in, even to retrieve a down animal. That meant hitting her shoulder and it ruined 10 lbs. of meat. Besides, if you still want to hunt with lead core bullets a heart lung shot usually results in punching through the rib cage on the other side so if there's even any fragmentation (unlikely) it would just be in stuff you're not going to eat anyway.

thats the way i see it too.
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Fellows, thanks for your responses.  I appreciate the opportunity to learn from the experience of others.
 
A few years ago, John Barsness wrote an article describing his opinion about the best place to shoot a deer.  My experience has been consistent with his recommendation.  
 
More recently, John expressed his opinion on the matter as follows:  "In my experience, there are two best places to shoot a deer:  1/3 of the way up the chest, just behind the shoulder (which gets the top of the heart or the blood vessels coming out of it), or 2/3 of the way up, right in line with the front leg, which gets both shoulders and the spine.
 
The first kills deer very quickly, but they may run 50-100 yards before falling.  The second drops them right there, but destroys more meat."
 
I think all of you know from prior posts that, on broad-side shots, I prefer the second of John's options that I describe as high-shoulder shots.  When I am forced to take shots that are not broad-side, I opt for a direction consistent with the first of John's recommendations.
 
 
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I'll take my chances with a huge bullet...
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I also like the behind the shoulder shot, it offers the largest margin of error.
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:


 
I see you found a picture of Dan's squirell round.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I'll take my chances with a huge bullet...
 
All other things being equal, I, too, think that larger diameter bullets stop them more quickly.
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The best place to shoot a deer is 100 yds from the truck, closer the better. The worst place to shoot a deer is on a canyon rim opposite of the one your on. The best place to shoot larger animals, moose,elk is in your neighbors back yard, and the worst place is in the middle of a pond or river.

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I agree with Dale the most.Big Grin
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I like the lungs/heart right behind the shoulder.  I have shot a shoulder going it, ruined a lot of meat.  Dead deer.  Hit the shoulder going out, ruined a lot of meat.  Dead dear.  Hit both shoulders, ruined even more meat.  Dead deer.  Shot behind both shoulders, no ruined meat.  Dead deer.

Last year I hit my elk both lungs at 432 yards with my 300 WM, 190 gr BTSP @ 2980 or so.  He dropped got up, went thirty yards, and dropped.  If I can help it, I will not shoot the shoulders.  I hate butchering around the damage and they all end up dead anyway.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

The best place to shoot a deer is 100 yds from the truck, closer the better. The worst place to shoot a deer is on a canyon rim opposite of the one your on. The best place to shoot larger animals, moose,elk is in your neighbors back yard, and the worst place is in the middle of a pond or river.


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