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I agree, although that guys first and last problem was, "it's a glock" Wink
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

I agree, although that guys first and last problem was, "it's a glock" Wink
Oh, you mean it kept shooting until it ran out of ammo. I can see how that would be a problem..................NOT.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

I agree, although that guys first and last problem was, "it's a glock" Wink
Oh, you mean it kept shooting until it ran out of ammo. I can see how that would be a problem..................NOT.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

I agree, although that guys first and last problem was, "it's a glock" Wink
Oh, you mean it kept shooting until it ran out of ammo. I can see how that would be a problem..................NOT.


Well, in all fairness Lynn........................he's DEAD! Bucky

Plastic garbage, made for armchair commandos WinkBig Grin
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

I agree, although that guys first and last problem was, "it's a glock" Wink
Oh, you mean it kept shooting until it ran out of ammo. I can see how that would be a problem..................NOT.


Well, in all fairness Lynn........................he's DEAD! Bucky

Plastic garbage, made for armchair commandos WinkBig Grin
Well they have market share of the law enforcement market, and he's dead because he ran out of ammo, and not because it malfunctioned.
And that's combat tupperware for warriors, and I got your armchair,  shooterChair HitBeltFed
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Lol, i'm just fooling around Lynn. I like teasing the glock die hards, they're easy to rile up! Get Your Popcorn Ready
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Whatever from the Glock haters......

Yeah, if they used a 1911 in this pic, it would have malf'd with a half full magazine and instead the caption would read..."It's not the gun's fault! It's this stupid hollow point ammo....REALLY!!"
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Whatever from the Glock haters......

Yeah, if they used a 1911 in this pic, it would have malf'd with a half full magazine and instead the caption would read..."It's not the gun's fault! It's this stupid hollow point ammo....REALLY!!"
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Like i said right above this post....glock diehards are so easy to rile up. Wink 
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Lol, i'm just fooling around Lynn. I like teasing the glock die hards, they're easy to rile up! Get Your Popcorn Ready
Personnally, I hate Glocks. They have no soul. They're ugly and look like cheap Saturdaynight specials. They have no external manual safety, and they are not extremely accurate. That said, I can't argue with success. They are very reliable and easy to use. They are more than accurate enough for their intended purpose, and they are my go to pistol for most any antisocial activity in a social setting (translation: the gun I want, when I didn't know I was gonna get in a gunfight). Despite Glock's perfection they are not perfect, but they are way ahead of the perfect pistol.
I do like Smith & Wessons, they are classics and pretty, and I built my reputation on them.
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Oh, not doubt Glocks have earned their rep. I think they have the market corned because they put out a relatively cheap product (doesn't mean ineffective at all) and cost is what drives any department or business.

I personally think it's asinine that many departments don't allow their officers to choose what they carry. I mean they are so hellbent on safety and protecting their asses against law-suits, but the glock has the absolute minimum of safety measures, yet they are found EVERYWHERE in departments.

A pistol to me, is more about feel than a rifle is. I can tell you within 3 seconds whether or not i would carry certain pistols on me. If it doesn't feel right in my hands, i won't use it, i don't care how reliable. My Xdm 3.8 40 has never malfunctioned, outshoots my dads Glock 24 all day long and has less recoil, plus ergonomically it's not close (to me).

Glocks go boom 99.9% of the time and that takes a pistol very far. I don't care for them (like you) but i do respect their reliability.
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

 

I personally think it's asinine that many departments don't allow their officers to choose what they carry. I mean they are so hellbent on safety and protecting their asses against law-suits, but the glock has the absolute minimum of safety measures, yet they are found EVERYWHERE in departments. 



Glocks go boom 99.9% of the time and that takes a pistol very far. I don't care for them (like you) but i do respect their reliability.
 
First, Glocks are one of the safest pistols out there, they won't go boom unles you pull the trigger. KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER until your on target and ready to shoot.
Second, Glocks are economical not because they are inexpensive (they aren't), but because they have such a long service life. Our old S&W 6906s were wearing out after about 6 years of service and required a lot of routine maintenence. The Glocks are still going after 12+ years of service with no plans on replacing them.
Third, if a Glock doesn't go boom it is usually an ammo problem, abuse, improper use, or very poor maintenence and not a problem with the pistol as manufactured. I've seen or have knowledge of all of these.
As for officers choosing their own weapons, there are plusses and minuses for both, but that would be a whole new topic (like we haven't gone off topic already).
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BF, i actually would love to know more about offivers picking there own sidearms.  Please share
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Glock haters are such losersBig Smile
Well, I'm a loser that proudly carries a Glock for a living.
I know, oxymoron, and I got the moron down pat.
 
Gotta go G, I'll address it later.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

 

I personally think it's asinine that many departments don't allow their officers to choose what they carry. I mean they are so hellbent on safety and protecting their asses against law-suits, but the glock has the absolute minimum of safety measures, yet they are found EVERYWHERE in departments. 



Glocks go boom 99.9% of the time and that takes a pistol very far. I don't care for them (like you) but i do respect their reliability.
 
First, Glocks are one of the safest pistols out there, they won't go boom unles you pull the trigger. KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER until your on target and ready to shoot.
Second, Glocks are economical not because they are inexpensive (they aren't), but because they have such a long service life. Our old S&W 6906s were wearing out after about 6 years of service and required a lot of routine maintenence. The Glocks are still going after 12+ years of service with no plans on replacing them.
Third, if a Glock doesn't go boom it is usually an ammo problem, abuse, improper use, or very poor maintenence and not a problem with the pistol as manufactured. I've seen or have knowledge of all of these.
As for officers choosing their own weapons, there are plusses and minuses for both, but that would be a whole new topic (like we haven't gone off topic already).


#1 point, that is true of any firearm and is basic training rule #1. I meant they're not as safe in the eyes of the court system, which loves to twist the arms of people in the line of duty when it comes to law suits. My Xdm has a palm safety and for that alone, i'd be better protected in an argument in court. It's the same game as lawyers telling you (rather civilians) not to use hand loads when carrying legally. I don't agree with it, but i've had multiple people with legal backgrounds give me that angle.

#2, Glocks are cheaper (buying cost, unless they're discounted more than others) compared to what most departments carry, at least the many cops i've talked to around the area, and country. You're not getting below Glock price wise if you're carrying an M&P, beretta, Sig or most of the popular brands out there. I agree 100% on the long lasting life though. Can't be argued.

I too would like to hear your take on the topic of choosing your own firearm for police work. I'm all ears/eyes for info from a good source Big Grin


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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

 

I personally think it's asinine that many departments don't allow their officers to choose what they carry. I mean they are so hellbent on safety and protecting their asses against law-suits, but the glock has the absolute minimum of safety measures, yet they are found EVERYWHERE in departments. 



Glocks go boom 99.9% of the time and that takes a pistol very far. I don't care for them (like you) but i do respect their reliability.
 
First, Glocks are one of the safest pistols out there, they won't go boom unles you pull the trigger. KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER until your on target and ready to shoot.
Second, Glocks are economical not because they are inexpensive (they aren't), but because they have such a long service life. Our old S&W 6906s were wearing out after about 6 years of service and required a lot of routine maintenence. The Glocks are still going after 12+ years of service with no plans on replacing them.
Third, if a Glock doesn't go boom it is usually an ammo problem, abuse, improper use, or very poor maintenence and not a problem with the pistol as manufactured. I've seen or have knowledge of all of these.
As for officers choosing their own weapons, there are plusses and minuses for both, but that would be a whole new topic (like we haven't gone off topic already).


#1 point, that is true of any firearm and is basic training rule #1. I meant they're not as safe in the eyes of the court system, which loves to twist the arms of people in the line of duty when it comes to law suits. My Xdm has a palm safety and for that alone, i'd be better protected in an argument in court. It's the same game as lawyers telling you (rather civilians) not to use hand loads when carrying legally. I don't agree with it, but i've had multiple people with legal backgrounds give me that angle.

#2, Glocks are cheaper (buying cost, unless they're discounted more than others) compared to what most departments carry, at least the many cops i've talked to around the area, and country. You're not getting below Glock price wise if you're carrying an M&P, beretta, Sig or most of the popular brands out there. I agree 100% on the long lasting life though. Can't be argued.

I too would like to hear your take on the topic of choosing you're own firearm for police work. I'm all ears/eyes for info from a good source Big Grin

Different people have different opinions on palm safety.  It seems to irritate me, so I am no fan of the XD.  I suspect that i developed the dislike for the palm safety out of a general dislike for 1911s.

As far as safeties go, I am all for passive safety features, but really dislike safeties that need to be disengaged.  I only own one handgun that has it (CZ) and I wish I had a gotten a version with a decocker.

I learned to shoot with a Glock and it is still the gun I trust the most.  Of the semi-autos Sigs and CZs are more comfortable for me.

All that having been said, I have been shooting a lot of revolvers lately and since I bought this one, I've shot little else:


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Now THAT is a damn fine revolver Ilya! Excellent


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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Now THAT is a damn fine revolver Ilya! Excellent



Thanks.  It was a birthday gift.  To me.  From me.
Just for the record, this was as close to divorce as I ever got.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Now THAT is a damn fine revolver Ilya! Excellent



Thanks.  It was a birthday gift.  To me.  From me.
Just for the record, this was as close to divorce as I ever got.

ILya


HAHA, that's priceless. What was her reaction when you said "hunny, look what i just picked up"? Wink

That couldn't have been a cheap wheel gun either. I absolutely love the craftsmanship and engravings.
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

Now THAT is a damn fine revolver Ilya! Excellent



Thanks.  It was a birthday gift.  To me.  From me.
Just for the record, this was as close to divorce as I ever got.

ILya


HAHA, that's priceless. What was her reaction when you said "hunny, look what i just picked up"? Wink

That couldn't have been a cheap wheel gun either. I absolutely love the craftsmanship and engravings.

I came home and said: "Honey, I have good news and bad news.  Good news first: I sold a bunch of scopes and binoculars I no longer needed...."

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Glocks ROCK... I've owned most of the older style pistols known to Americans, have shot most of the currently available.  I love the Glocks... any caliber except .22.  For that I like the Ruger 22/45 or the S&W 22A and 41.  Of course the old tried and true 1911 .45 is always great.  

My favorite revolvers are the S&W 629 6" or 8 3/8" and the 686 4" and 6".  

Come to think of it, I never really fired one I didn't like.

But I love the Glocks...
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I came home and said: "Honey, I have good news and bad news.  Good news first: I sold a bunch of scopes and binoculars I no longer needed...."


That was almost your undoing. You're supposed to say, "Honey, I've got some really bad news. I beat up a cop after I totaled the car ramming into his cruiser." Then when she starts freaking, say, "Actually I sold off a bunch of my optics crap and got this to protect our family."
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:


I came home and said: "Honey, I have good news and bad news.  Good news first: I sold a bunch of scopes and binoculars I no longer needed...."


That was almost your undoing. You're supposed to say, "Honey, I've got some really bad news. I beat up a cop after I totaled the car ramming into his cruiser." Then when she starts freaking, say, "Actually I sold off a bunch of my optics crap and got this to protect our family."

I have tried your approach, but it did not work.  She knows that I have a healthy respect for the law.  As far pretending that I need another gun to protect the family.  Well, she has seen by collection, so it is an insult to her intelligence.

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